LibertyBell

and my high school winters

whats with these two different numbers listed for Upton? SUFFOLK COUNTY... UPTON (NATIONAL WX SERVICE) 7.9 500 PM (6.7 ON THE GROUND)

Yeah same here, 15-16 inches on the western part of the south shore of LI and no changeover

15-16 inches here in SW Nassau County, was amazing to see on a track like that, it never changed over.

PS also something a bit extra if you can find the info on this.....can you post a list of all the storms that've dropped 20" or more at one of the NYC official stations (NYC/EWR/JFK/LGA) and also dropped 20" or more at either ABE or MPO?

actually two of the very best occurred in the 70s and 80s.....Feb 1978 and Feb 1983. I recently found out that my second home in the Poconos got 30" in Feb 1978 and also over 2 feet in Feb 1983, that's pretty amazing considering that my first home on Long Island also got over 2 feet from the same storms! There's a select list of only a few storms that have dropped two feet plus in both locations; Jan 1996, Feb 2003 and Jan 2016 are also on that list.

Chris can you post the full list- some of those got cut off, I counted only 11 on the dates I could see. This list also includes the two big ones in 1978! So it's 16 and not 14? PS also something a bit extra if you can find the info on this.....can you post a list of all the storms that've dropped 20" or more at one of the NYC official stations (NYC/EWR/JFK/LGA) and also dropped 20" or more at either ABE or MPO?

and thats the classic solution during the time period we've been outlining....the potential is there, it remsins to be seen if it is realized. all of those were amazing, but there is a wide spectrum within that envelop.....addressing the ones that weren't perfect for us......2/79 was actually a little too suppressed, we got close to a foot of snow here but the historic amounts were just south of us, 2/94 was a dumping of snow followed by a changeover to rain, still double digit snowfall here (sort of similar to the December event)....2/06 had a narrow band of heavy snow concentrated near the city, with lesser amounts outside of that death band, every other storm in that list was historic for a large part of the area though.

I think he means something like Jan 1996 or Feb 2003 or Feb 1983

fyi I went through the list of the late 80s and early 90s winters and what it proved to me is even in the worst so-called "patterns" this area has EVER had we somehow still managed to score 6-9 inch snowfalls....and if you correct that for higher precip totals we now see in our new climate, it explains why we've been seeing such high intensity precip bombs for the last 10 years or so. Add to that that it doesn't have to be below normal temp to get big snowstorms here during the most favored period for snow, mid January onwards (some of the aforementioned snowstorms had temps in the 50s and 60s the day prior to the event and again right afterwards- I'm perfectly happy with that!), then it doesn't really matter what the long term so called "pattern" is. Also I honestly dont give a shit if the entire winter averages 40 degrees or higher, all that matters is that it's in the low 30s when a big storm comes in. We dont judge winters here by cold, we judge them by inches of snow. We already had one decent event and one more will get us to average snowfall for the entire winter and that's a lot more than me and many of us were thinking at the start of the season.

yes I see you are more gungho about mid January onwards which historically is the best time period for snowstorms for us, irrespective of what the so-called "pattern" is.

The anomalous Kara Block was also involved in the big turnaround from December 2015 to the HECS we saw in the third week of January in 2016. It's amazing we had 14 straight hours of 1-2 inches of snowfall and not some fly by night event either, it was a real day time full on blizzard.

Midland has gotten like 5 8"+ events since 1998

wow 1995 is the most memorable example but it also happened several times in the early 2000s.....warmer SST causing this?

Kara block....where have we heard that before

Don how strong was the one we had a few years ago that resulted in the four storms in March and one in April?

So that's now three years in a row

The Poconos is a good place to be for this one!

yeah it's ludicrous especially with all the events undermeasured there-- let's start with Jan 1996..... it's 30 inches plain and simple if not more, let's just admit it and move on.

it's crazy to hold to those numbers since snowfall measuring is so unscientific. we should just accept 29.5 and higher as 30" and call it a day.

2) is definitely right because history has shown us that over and over again.

Historically, it's the Jan 20-27 period that seems to be when many of our big snowstorms have occurred.

hey now western parts of the south shore saw 8" with that. if this historic Bering Sea storm happens that could be what's needed to flip the pattern.

Maybe we need to start dumping more plastic trash into the Pacific,

Play the long game man, history has shown us that our best storms happen in the second half of January.