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I've noticed it much more in the last few years with rising humidity, more rainfall, and uncomfortable health issues like allergies occurring almost year round. I never had these issues before the last few years.

Thats fine John, I was looking up some of my reading material and just found it..... have a look at these: Here is an excellent piece https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/15/sunday-review/overpopulated-and-underfed-countries-near-a-breaking-point.html some others https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/talking-about-overpopulation-is-still-taboo-that-has-to-change/2018/06/18/ca7c1838-6e6f-11e8-afd5-778aca903bbe_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.10f9f1d1fab7 https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-continuing-debate-over-population/2017/07/19/85c5f4bc-6b09-11e7-abbc-a53480672286_story.html?utm_term=.9cd76cfd419e https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2018/10/10/how-will-or-billion-people-eat-without-destroying-environment/?utm_term=.c22851ff04dd here is an awesome piece from Nature https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-018-0594-0 A sobering report published Wednesday in the journal Nature argues that a sustainable food system that doesn’t ravage the environment is going to require dramatic reforms, including a radical change in dietary habits. To be specific: Cheeseburgers are out, and fruits and veggies are in. The 23 authors of the report, hailing from Europe, the United States, Australia and Lebanon, reviewed the many moving parts of the global food system and how they interact with the environment. The authors concluded that the current methods of producing, distributing and consuming food aren’t environmentally sustainable and that damage to the planet could make it less hospitable for human existence. A core message from the researchers is that efforts to keep climate change at an acceptable level won’t be successful without a huge reduction in meat consumption. “Feeding humanity is possible. It’s just a question of whether we can do it in an environmentally responsible way,” said Johan Rockström, an earth scientist at the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research in Germany and a co-author of the study. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/talking-about-overpopulation-is-still-taboo-that-has-to-change/2018/06/18/ca7c1838-6e6f-11e8-afd5-778aca903bbe_story.html?utm_term=.249575592711 https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-importance-of-limiting-our-reproduction/2018/06/28/104ea1de-7959-11e8-ac4e-421ef7165923_story.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/15/opinion/sunday/remember-the-population-bomb-its-still-ticking.html https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/01/us/the-unrealized-horrors-of-population-explosion.html https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2015/06/08/is-overpopulation-a-legitimate-threat-to-humanity-and-the-planet/paul-ehrlichs-population-bomb-argument-was-right https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2015/06/08/is-overpopulation-a-legitimate-threat-to-humanity-and-the-planet/the-violent-side-effect-to-high-fertility-rates https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2015/06/08/is-overpopulation-a-legitimate-threat-to-humanity-and-the-planet/asia-must-build-a-less-wasteful-economy https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2015/06/08/is-overpopulation-a-legitimate-threat-to-humanity-and-the-planet/empower-women-for-the-health-of-the-planet https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2015/06/08/is-overpopulation-a-legitimate-threat-to-humanity-and-the-planet/its-not-a-numbers-problem https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2015/06/08/is-overpopulation-a-legitimate-threat-to-humanity-and-the-planet/overconsumption-is-a-grave-threat-to-humanity https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2015/06/08/is-overpopulation-a-legitimate-threat-to-humanity-and-the-planet https://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/18/opinion/18iht-edwesting.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/23/opinion/no-to-population-growth.html https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2015/06/08/is-overpopulation-a-legitimate-threat-to-humanity-and-the-planet https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/24/opinion/population-growth.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/15/opinion/sunday/remember-the-population-bomb-its-still-ticking.html

Thats interesting and true in the sense that sociologically humankind seems to be ignorant to what they are doing, with their brains wired for short term profit not long term sustainability, however we must also look at how being densely populated in cities adversely affects our health, as well as the negative impact on endangered species with humans cutting down trees to build more homes (cutting down trees is also bad for the environment) I do believe we will stabilize our population at some point, the question is, at what point will that be and will we avoid an ecological disaster. Land usage, the consumption of meat and overconsumption in general are also issues. I believe it was stated that the most efficient way to reduce one's carbon footprint is to have one less child. Having one species dominate over the rest seems to unbalance nature and intricate ecosystems. PS have you seen all the smog/air pollution issues going on in India? It's unfortunate that breathing clean air, which should be a right, is so hard to come by!

The planet does self-regulate for biodiversity rather than dominance of a single species and I do believe there's much truth in what you're saying. Our very nature which led to our dominance may well lead to our destruction. Evolution comes full circle.

John, TWC is hosting a climate change debate tonight at 8. I found what Dr Rick Knabb said last night very illuminating. He pointed to a collaboration of research between a few hundred scientists pointing to human overpopulation being the main cause behind all the other things we face (climate change, pollution, mass extinction, land usage, etc.) He quoted this research: https://theconversation.com/11-000-scientists-warn-climate-change-isnt-just-about-temperature-126261

it was an 80s type winter. I cant say it was bad luck, all I can say that it's a really stable pattern that repeats. The whole 80s decade was like that.

We need a three day blizzard around here, a Dec 1992 storm that's all snow! That's the one thing we haven't seen yet!

I remember this pattern started in the early 00s where storms almost always went further NW than expected. Actually going back to 1995-96 when you think about it.

That's conducive for a meteorological bomb!

and that warm blob over the Pacific and super amplified patterns that stick in place

Very well stated John, short term profits are selected over long term sustainability.

Thanks, I remember that night being crystal clear too and frigid but maybe the wind was too high to get below 0. Do you remember the other one (also February), the 30 hour snowstorm due to a low stalling just offshore with a narrow band of 4-8? (Would have been more if the snow during the day wasn't so wet.) I'm thinking early 90s on that one too.

Pre 93 I remember a storm that stalled just offshore in February. It was supposed to just be a frontal passage and it stalled for 30 hours and just kept snowing. During the day it was mostly wet snow and at night it really started to stick, and there was 4-8 inches in a narrow band from EWR across the city and on Long Island. Do you happen to know what year that was? Sometime in the early 90s? Then there was another one in the early 90s that also occurred in February, an arctic front slipped down from the north and a low formed on it and dropped 4-7 inches across the area, an all day snowfall with a brilliant red frigid sunset (what a treat!) It was 4 inches here with 7 inches in Plainview, Long Island. Was that the following year?

They mention a catalyst and also that it's a few years away from commercial development. https://twitter.com/i/events/1191456175449088006 https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-11-04/moth-poulsen-s-energy-trapping-molecule-could-solve-solar-storage The innovations include an energy-trapping molecule, a storage system that promises to outperform traditional batteries and an energy-storing laminate coating that can be applied to windows and textiles. Swedish scientists develop energy storing molecule that can be applied as a transparent coating to windows, houses, cars, clothes and release heat when exposed to a catalyst. Still a few years from commercialisation - but pretty amazing potential if it comes good. Scientists say they’ve figured out how to store solar power for decades, a major energy breakthrough Scientists in Sweden have figured out how to harness solar power, store it and release it on demand in the form of heat decades after it's been captured Scientists at Chalmers University of Technology in Gothenburg have figured out how to harness the energy and keep it in reserve so it can be released on demand in the form of heat—even decades after it was captured. The innovations include an energy-trapping molecule, a storage system that promises to outperform traditional batteries, at least when it comes to heating, and an energy-storing laminate coating that can be applied to windows and textiles. The breakthroughs, from a team led by researcher Kasper Moth-Poulsen, have garnered praise within the scientific community. Now comes the real test: whether Moth-Poulsen can get investors to back his technology and take it to market. The system starts with a liquid molecule made up of carbon, hydrogen, and nitrogen. When hit by sunlight, the molecule draws in the sun’s energy and holds it until a catalyst triggers its release as heat. The researchers spent almost a decade and $2.5 million to create a specialized storage unit, which Moth-Poulsen, a 40-year-old professor in the department of chemistry and chemical engineering, says has the stability to outlast the 5-to 10-year life span of typical lithium-ion batteries on the market today. The most advanced potential commercial use the team developed is a transparent coating that can be applied to home windows, a moving vehicle, or even clothing. The coating collects solar energy and releases heat, reducing electricity required for heating spaces and curbing carbon emissions. Moth-Poulsen is coating an entire building on campus to showcase the technology. The ideal use in the early going, he says, is in relatively small spaces. “This could be heating of electrical vehicles or in houses.” A big unknown is whether the system can produce electricity. While Moth-Poulsen believes the potential exists, his team is focused for now on heating. His research group is one of about 15 trying to tackle climate change with molecular thermal solar systems. Part of what motivates them is the Paris Agreement, which commits signatories to pursue efforts to limit global warming to 1.5C (2.7F). Moth-Poulsen plans to spin off a company that would advance the technology and says he’s in talks with venture capital investors. The storage unit could be commercially available in as little as six years and the coating in three, pending the $5 million of additional funding he estimates will be needed to bring the coating to market. In May he won the Arnbergska Prize from the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences for his solar energy projects. The professor doesn’t have precise cost estimates for the technology but is aware that it will need to be affordable. One cost advantage is that the system doesn’t need any rare or expensive elements. Jeffrey Grossman, a professor in the department of materials science and engineering at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology who’s also developing energy storage molecules, calls the Chalmers University team’s work “crucial if we want to see this energy conversion storage approach commercialized.”

January 1988? Didn't that have 7" at LGA? I think I remember that storm, it snowed overnight into morning and we had school delays (but no cancellations of course.) Do you by any chance remember a December snowstorm that dropped 8.6" at NYC? I dont remember what year it was but it had to have been after 83 (all I remember about 83-84 is back to back 4-5 inch snowfalls that both fell overnight and lots of cold.) I think it was December 1984? Or maybe December 1985?

Some of those winters had crazy gradients, both 86-87 and 87-88 had much more snow to our SW, including Monmouth County. I think 88-89 was like that, I remember a virga snowstorm that February. And 89-90 of course, had that in December. Lots of cold and dry winters or cold and dry flipping to warm and wet.

Reposting this here: https://twitter.com/i/events/1191456175449088006 https://t.co/L02Ps9o1UT?amp=1 The innovations include an energy-trapping molecule, a storage system that promises to outperform traditional batteries and an energy-storing laminate coating that can be applied to windows and textiles. https://t.co/krDcakrWmi?amp=1 Swedish scientists develop energy storing molecule that can be applied as a transparent coating to windows, houses, cars, clothes and release heat when exposed to a catalyst. Still a few years from commercialisation - but pretty amazing potential if it comes good. https://t.co/z35BQWGHGI?amp=1 Scientists say they’ve figured out how to store solar power for decades, a major energy breakthrough https://t.co/lNqEF9YcJJ?amp=1 Scientists in Sweden have figured out how to harness solar power, store it and release it on demand in the form of heat decades after it's been captured https://t.co/kqsBusDxWM?amp=1

Maybe just for November Pattern takes time to reload so it might reinforce a backloaded winter after that. Or maybe we should call it a bookend season?

That could also be why we're seeing the more common occurrence of very early season snowfalls starting in October 2011.

We had a crazy streak of winters back then with no 10 inch snowstorms and no 30 inch snowfall winters. I think it lasted from 1983-84 thru 1991-92. Thats why it was so challenging to try and predict when the next big snowfall winter would be. I remember 1991 had such an abnormally cold summer thanks to Pinatubo and even the fall started off really cold, our long range predictors thought for sure it would be that winter, but just like 1989-90 which also had a very cold fall, the pattern changed on a dime. Then we finally had the one big snowstorm in 1992-93, even though it did change to rain, and then the real whole sale pattern change in 1993-94. Funny thing about that was that almost every single storm was predicted to either be rain or change to rain and all it ever did was go from snow to a mix. The large quantity of storms was how we got to 50+ and we ran out of salt lol. 1995-96 was the GOAT but in some ways 1993-94 was worse in terms of how hard it was to predict and handle all those storms. plus two subzero Arctic outbreaks and a major ice storm thrown in there!

Wow, thats amazing, Chris..... any thoughts as to why the sudden change? Maybe it has to do with changes in the Pacific we've been seeing in this decade and the "warm blob" of water just offshore from the West Coast?

Yep, I forgot what day it was, but I think it was before Thanksgiving- something like the 19th? Our most notable cold early November snowstorms were the one we had a week after Sandy and the one we had last year. Vets Day 1987 would have been big here too but somehow missed us and hit both DC and Boston.

An exception to this happened in November 1995 when it was in the 60s the day prior and we got a surprise 3-6 inches overnight into the next morning as a low formed along a front that stalled.

Does the event Ant was talking about on the following Tuesday seem more favorable? Will the air by then actually be colder than what we'll have on Friday?

I'm wondering how this ties in to the 6/6 couplet I saw in the data from 1951-1990 where our big snow winters had cold Octobers followed by mild Novembers. Perhaps the pattern was reloading in November and got favorable just in time to give us a big winter?