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weird I dont remember that, I thought our seasonal total was 10.6"? I know JFK got more than that because the November storm was heavier there and they were closer to some of the southern scrapers that hit us in December

I might have confused those lol....I think it was the January 1987 snowfall I was thinking about that I remember the measurement from but juxtaposed that with the December 1984 snowfall lol. Uncle, do you have JFK snowfall totals from both those storms (December 1984 and January 1987) and the dates they occurred on? There's also a LGA 7 incher in there somewhere which I remember because we had just moved to a new house and the door got stuck when I got home from school and I couldn't get inside....the snow started around 3 in the afternoon and got heavier by 6 and snowed until the next morning. I don't remember the totals from the city or JFK for that one but I remember LGA got 7"

wow late Leonids? also, you have a chicken coop lol?

lasted until April when we got a minor snowfall lol after it had been in the mid 80s in March!

Hey Uncle let me know if you can figure out which storm that was that I remembered from December in the mid 80s

except for the Millenium snowstorm in 2000 we have a bad record when it comes to pre New Years snow....I'm not sure if I've ever seen one in my entire lifetime. 12/31-1/1 just to be clear

Hey I have a question thats been nagging at me....there was a nice sized December snowfall back in the 80s I just don't remember what year. It was an 8.6" snowfall (for some reason that number sticks out to me) and (I think) happened Friday into Saturday in December somewhere between December 1984 and December 1986. Can anyone pull up data on this storm? I distinctly remember it was supposed to change to rain at night but never did, instead it tapered off to freezing drizzle and drizzle at the very end.

Do you remember the snowfall more or the experience at the dentist lol

trust me it's a helluva lot better than December 1989

thats what I'm thinking too, a typical early season clipper

it won't be a noreaster, probably more like a clipper, still it will be our first snow of the season

being mentioned by Lee Goldberg now on ABC he said models shifted north into our area

long range forecasting beyond a few weeks isn't a science, I can show you astrology "forecasts" that are more accurate, random chances are higher than its accuracy

hit 32 though like JFK did but here's a delicate question, can it be considered a freezing day if the low is above 32.0? Because 0 C (actual freezing) is 32.0 F, not 32.2 or 32.4 or anything in between?

coldest wind chill though, 23 F or -5 C

so 2016-17 just made it over the 3 inch mark

I dont remember anything like that on the south shore of long island, I think it was around 6 inches here near JFK

what about 2016-17?

Oh I'm mostly talking about 10"+ events in December which seem to be very rare now. I was thinking of winters like 2014-15 where we get our first big snows around Jan 20th, that seems to be a common first date for our first big snow of the season.

thats artificial central park temperatures, at JFK we're now down to 32, the city's first freeze

Yup December seems to pretty much be lost as a winter month Since 2010's Boxing Day storm we haven't seen much winter in December.

This seems to be our regular pattern now, not really ENSO dependent. Isn't it true that over the past decade our winters have really kicked into high gear around January 20nd or so, no matter the ENSO state?

Being near a warming ocean will give it some boost.

warmer sea surface temps resulted in the 6 tornado outbreak last weekend on Long Island Maybe we will see a tornado pop up in the middle of a Yankees Red Sox game one of these days, that'd be fun!

I see our cold/snowy patterns seem to begin around Jan 20th