LibertyBell

How does this one compare with the post Sandy storm in 2012? That one was a week earlier and the amounts were comparable for us, though the Island did better with that storm (not by a lot though.) This one was way more disruptive though, probably because that season had already been disrupted a lot.

How did Carbon County do with this storm? Talking about places like Jim Thorpe, Lehighton, Albrightsville, Lake Harmony, Hazleton, etc.?

Wow very comparable in places like JFK and EWR, but the total for LGA was surprisingly low in that earlier storm. It was still king in Nassau County where we had up to 9 inches right down to the South Shore and parts of Central NJ had up to 14 inches! Thanks Don, as far as snowfall totals are concerned, they are very comparable, although the distribution was different, and that one was far less disruptive although equally less well predicted. I think people were still in shock after Sandy so their lives had already been so disrupted that storm could not disrupt them much farther.

Thanks RJay. Can you by any chance find the one for the post Sandy storm? I want to compare them!

For snowfall I think we have to remember that we are in a much much wetter climate now than we were in the 60s or 70s for that matter. Looking at the past decade or two massive uptick in precipitation and big precipitation events I think that while using them to describe general patterns may be correct, that actual snowfall amounts could be much higher, in line with our new normals.

Don great write up, for our area I think the current historic snowstorm bears more of a resemblance to the post Sandy snowstorm which dumped double digit snowfall in Central NJ and close to it on Long Island. I wonder why that didn't cause such disruption since it was also a big surprise and came during rush hour? I was hoping someone could post the PNS from both I wanted to see who did better with that one vs this one- that one seemed to be more historic for the coast and occurred earlier than this one did too.

I was thinking 1933-34 and 1898-99, both had November and February big events (correct me if I'm wrong.)

I cant even find a full list of airport snowfall info. Im hoping someone will do a comparison of this vs the post Sandy snowstorm, side by side, I want to see which of our airports and spotters did better in this one vs that one and since that was a big surprise also and also happened around rush hour, why didn't that one cause so many issues?

I wonder if this is a red flag for what will happen later in the season too. I can remember another season where this kept happening over and over again and the models kept correcting snowier with the night time model runs.................. 1993-94. If we see this kind of track and high placement a lot this winter this may end up being like that winter.

then I would question the point you are making, what does what happened billions of years ago have to do with today? The changes have been happening on much shorter timescales now and are artificially induced, vs billions of years ago when they were not. It's also important to note that, then as now, these changes induced mass extinction events (we are in middle of the sixth mass extinction event currently- half of the species currently on the planet will cease to exist by the end of the century.)

Chris (Bluewave) posted the graphs originally so I hope he can post them in here also.

I am all for nuclear because that is the future after all, moreso than any other fuel source. We just need to make sure the nuclear plants are up to date with safety standards. The ones with the problems have typically been older ones and should have been decommissioned a long time ago.

billions of years ago the composition of the earth's atmosphere was completely different- it's like comparing earth to a different planet.

It was mentioned in the NYC subforum I saved the graphs somewhere so I'll look for them. Basically, we had 42 days of 75+ dew points at JFK this year, and the previous record was 24 haha...... and prior to the 80s there weren't even any days of 20 or more 75+ dew point days. The previous record of 24 was from 1983 and we almost doubled that to 42, I thought that was pretty amazing.

no one implied it causes "weather" its a trend thats been going on since the 1980s and yes you can identify trends and changes in climate and those can be linked to long term changes in patterns of events.........its kind of head in assery thats held humanity back from progressive change that should have happened a long time ago... examples are the sharp rise in 3" precip events and increasing relative humidity levels.

Archembault event in early December! Maybe around the 5th when we have gotten some of our huge snowstorms? Based on that looks like it would be before that? The weekend after the end of November? Thanksgiving weekend- is that looking stormy too or more like cold and dry?

Just specifically talking about this area, the number of days with a dew point above 75 was double the previous record- I think that's pretty amazing. There has also been a marked uptick in such days since the 1980s, but this year dwarfed the previous record.

The windmill farms arent using land here though they are offshore and that makes them more efficient also because there is no land friction to reduce wind speeds. I think that the holy grail of electric cars will be solar powered vehicles which will give the owner of the vehicle full control over the energy source (once we are able to store solar energy properly for usage on overcast days, etc.) Nuclear fission is a good bridge to controllable fusion one day, much of the problems we've had with fission plants were with ones that were antiquated, if they were kept up to date with current standards then they would be much much safer.

Thats already being done slowly but surely, electric cars are becoming more and more common. And besides renewable we have nuclear too, first fission and eventually controllable fusion. At the latest it will be 2070, but more likely 2050, that we'll be completely done with fossil fuels. Solar powered skyscrapers are in the plans of such visionaries as Sir Richard Branson and he has already constructed one in Colorado. Those will be able to power cars and other vehicles also. The Empire State Building will also go all solar in the next decade or so. South of Long Island we're constructing a huge bank of windmill farms that will serve dual functions, not only will they harness the power of the wind but can also weaken the power of tropical cyclones before they make landfall.

It's generally assumed that unprecedented means recorded history. Millions/Billions of years ago the composition of the earth's atmosphere was different (thats why animals were much larger- there was much more oxygen)- its like comparing our climate now to that of a different planet.

Thanks Don, is this projected to be the lowest one since then? I dont remember anything this low from the 90s onward.

well the April 2 event was 6 inches in many parts of the city and you can round KNYC to 6"

thats not practical, whats MUCH more practical is the movement to renewable fuels which are much better for the environment and lower pollution, not just climate change.

of course the climate was different back then but it was unlivable for humanity and those changes occurred much more gradually because they were natural- and they were also followed by mass extinctions

wow would that low of an AO be a record for November?