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November 2020 General Discussions & Observations Thread
LibertyBell replied to Rtd208's topic in New York City Metro
Yes all the extreme weather was October to December. Any idea what caused all that extreme weather and what caused the rubber band to snap around New Years? March was amazingly warm, but the 40 degree avg for Jan-Feb was also really weird. December was the most frustrating month, because despite it being wall to wall cold, snow was limited to these tiny 1-2 inch clippers once a week or so. There was a blown forecast in the middle of the month when a storm that was supposed to give us 6-8 inches of snow had a secondary form too close to the coast and it all changed quickly to rain accompanied by thunderstorms. It was the opposite bust from February 1989 when we had a prediction of 6-8 inches of snow and we got all virga instead as Atlantic City got buried with 20 inches of snow. I see 1988-89 was one of the analogs you were looking at, and I sincerely hope we dont get a repeat from that frustrating era. I thought Boxing Day 2010 was nature putting things right and making up for the February 1989 debacle. I think that storm was the greatest positive bust of my lifetime. -
November 2020 General Discussions & Observations Thread
LibertyBell replied to Rtd208's topic in New York City Metro
That was a really stormy period. I remember the October-November period had lots of extreme changes from warm to cold and back to warm and then cold again with big extremely windy storm fronts, massive severe weather outbreaks and the leaves coming down earlier than I had ever seen them before and then an extremely cold and dry December to cap it all off. Do you remember this Don? I think all the leaves came down around Halloween when we had a big windy front come through. -
November 2020 General Discussions & Observations Thread
LibertyBell replied to Rtd208's topic in New York City Metro
70s is getting boring let's shoot for 80..... -
November 2020 General Discussions & Observations Thread
LibertyBell replied to Rtd208's topic in New York City Metro
Funny thing is even with this anomalously mild November it will still only be slightly warmer than December of 2015..... -
Eta and/or Theta remnant potential Wed-Sun Nov 11-15, 2020
LibertyBell replied to wdrag's topic in New York City Metro
Wow that water vapor graph reminds me of the spike in 75+ dew points JFK experienced a few years ago -
November 2020 General Discussions & Observations Thread
LibertyBell replied to Rtd208's topic in New York City Metro
and like 8-10 inches from Atlantic City to Long Island -
November 2020 General Discussions & Observations Thread
LibertyBell replied to Rtd208's topic in New York City Metro
Newark is notorious for being inaccurate in terms of temps higher than anywhere else in the region- but not that out of whack lol. -
November 2020 General Discussions & Observations Thread
LibertyBell replied to Rtd208's topic in New York City Metro
Wow Newark is quite a bit warmer than the rest of the region. I cant find a stretch of 7 70+ days anytime in recorded history either for Central Park or Philadelphia despite a much longer period of recorded history. The max at those two sites is 5 straight days. The 7 day 70+ stretch at the end of November in 1989 must've been amazing, since we had a significant snowstorm on Thanksgiving in 1989 and then a historically cold and dry December! I actually dont remember that warm period at all, all I remember is a historic and tragic severe weather outbreak in November 1989 and then the Thanksgiving snowstorm and the extremely cold and dry December (as well as a blown snowstorm prediction and the big warm up around New Years 1990 and then warmth for the rest of the season including summer-like mid 80s in March.) -
November 2020 General Discussions & Observations Thread
LibertyBell replied to Rtd208's topic in New York City Metro
thats disappointing. I think I saw the high for the day before which was listed at 73 and assumed that was for yesterday -
November 2020 General Discussions & Observations Thread
LibertyBell replied to Rtd208's topic in New York City Metro
Thanks! It looks like they hit 73 yesterday. I had to get used to the format, as the most recent readings are listed at the top lol. Something else I noticed, a lot of the records for yesterday are from 1999 and that's one of the analogs for the upcoming winter. -
Yes the last one was in November 2001 and it was unforgettable. I thought they recurred every 33 years but looking at the historical record there have been unpredictable outbursts that occur outside of the 33 year cycle. The amazing weather is a good point too, it isn't just warm, it's been warm during the day and cold at night because of the exceptionally dry air; these are ideal desert-like viewing conditions! I even saw the thin waning crescent moon yesterday at high noon. I dont think I've ever seen it at that time before. Of course the prime time celestial viewing weather is now coming to an end. Did you see Mars the last few nights? It looks exceptionally bright probably because it is closer than it will be for a few decades. This is my favorite time of year for clear skies, M42 Orion Nebula is clearly visible, even visually and I imagine it's an amazing sight in 10x50 or larger binos. M31 Andromeda Galaxy should look amazing too.
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Yes, I've seen them reported from Alabama to New Jersey to Quebec to Sweden! Bright fireballs and the Alabama one was called an asteroid by NASA. The one in NJ was a low flying meteoroid and the one in Sweden made it to around 15 km before disintegrating! What's going on? All unrelated to each other and not part of some outburst?
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November 2020 General Discussions & Observations Thread
LibertyBell replied to Rtd208's topic in New York City Metro
Don I noted you didn't list JFK above, did they not hit 70 yesterday? I thought they did. -
Eta and/or Theta remnant potential Wed-Sun Nov 11-15, 2020
LibertyBell replied to wdrag's topic in New York City Metro
Maybe we could get 1-2" with this first event and then another 1-2" Sunday into Monday? -
Yes, the most extreme winter I can remember, got close to -30 in NE PA. Lots of snow and ice, we had an astounding 2 inch plus ice storm on the south shore of Long Island in January. And snow both on top of that and under it. I got to tell the difference between the different colors of snow (white), sleet (grey), and freezing rain (clear). And you needed an ice pick to break though otherwise you'd be skating down your driveway.
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The city's supply of salt ran out! That was a marathon winter with two storms every week and 30 storms in total. If the weather channel had been naming storms back then not only would they have run out of names, they would have run out of the Greek alphabet too and the Hebrew alphabet would be up next! That was Allentown's winter of record also, they had around 80" of snow.
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The heavy snow was in eastern PA and points east, I saw Scranton had about a foot and half of snow during that storm.
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I remember both. Long Island in Suffolk County Islip got 12" from the first one and I remember the second one a week later dropped an inch at JFK
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reminds me of 07-08 when we had an SWFE deliver a surprise 6" in late February. question about analogs....why cant 05-06 be an analog for this winter? The extremely active 2005 hurricane season (we are quickly catching up in number of hurricanes and I think we'll have 15 again this season especially with the 90 degree Caribbean.) Also the previous year, 04-05 was an el nino like last year was and 05-06 was a la nina like this one is. So you could have a cold first half of December with an inland to near NYC snow event, a mild mid to late December followed by a mild January and then get a February with one freak snowstorm and then we'll see how March turns out (in 06 March was cold but not much snow) and then we ended it in early April with another freak snow event to get us to 40"
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1993-94 and 1995-96 made up for it, especially the latter one. Then another snow drought before the epic era started in earnest from 2002-03 onwards.
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when I was growing up we had an awful snowless period between 79 and 93 with the exception of Feb 1983
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I dont think climate deniers are actually climate deniers (at least the majority of them), they actually either dont care or believe that a warming planet is a good thing or they think its too late to do anything about it so might as well just let it keep going.
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what about 2001-02?
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November 2020 General Discussions & Observations Thread
LibertyBell replied to Rtd208's topic in New York City Metro
and having a hurricane season that lasts all year, like what the fire season is evolving into the word "season" will have an entirely different meaning within our lifetimes -
November 2020 General Discussions & Observations Thread
LibertyBell replied to Rtd208's topic in New York City Metro
some would say all this heat is a good thing, saving on heating costs and we can do a lot of work outside