LibertyBell

and this is why the general public is so hard to convince...one, they didn't even do the conversion from C to F, and secondly they think the changes will be insignificant.

I think we have awhile to go before snowfall averages start going down-- ACY is still getting years where they have more snow than we do lol. I'd say it will be 2040 at the earliest before they start going down.

weird... I dont have info for the I-84 corridor, which airport is your benchmark? Maybe we can compare how the 30 year norms have changed across each region of the subforum

thats exactly why nations that continue to pollute the planet need to be punished-- harshly! I'm fine with 100% nuclear power it's much better than anything else we have.

and last November was around -2 wasn't it?

No reason that cant be snow though....after April 10th chances of significant accumulating snow are done

Yeah but I've traveled a lot internationally. I just don't see that there's really anything to do up there besides skiing.

26 is now the average for JFK lol

Well thats interesting, do you have a similar chart for November and March departures, Chris? So both are usually similar and on the same side of 0? That puts a new wrinkle into things.

Yes I think thats strange, I bet there was a little battle between Upton and Mt Holly and Mt Holly won. I actually think our subforum should include both.

I like mine better lol, I think NW NJ should be considered part of our zone. Officially the NYC metropolitan area is considered thusly: Okay maybe a combo of the two lol

High heat low dewpoint fan

Do you think this will be a big blow to the warm March forecasts and especially the forecasts that the second half of March would be warmer compared to normal than the first half?

No I would put mindbending sanctions on ANY nations that were still producing fossil fuels by then, to the point where it would no longer be profitable. Profits are the only language these companies and countries understand.

Not a beach guy I take it lol

thats awesome lol. Someone posted stats about hot summers making snowy winters more likely though.

There's been a really obvious change in climate between the 80s and now....it's going to be positively frightening on this planet by 2030, let alone the 2040 they mentioned in that report. The positive thing is that most oil rigs will be underwater and unusable by then so at least we'll be completely done with that menace and the fossil fuel cartel will be completely bankrupt by then and more states will have seen the light and banned fracking like NY has. Fracking has also been banned on a regional scale in NE PA too and the Delaware River basin in PA and NJ. More and more are seeing the light

You're right, the "real" snowfall across the 5 boroughs was between 20-25 inches south to north and west to east.

It's interesting how none of the pre 21st century winters averaged 40 or above besides 1931-32....what an aberration that winter was, what do you think the average winter temperature of that winter would be if it occurred now? Also interesting that the top 5 winters are all spaced 0.5 apart from one to the next while the ones behind them are more tightly clustered. I would put 2001-02 in a class all by itself, our mildest winter combining both snowfall totals or lack thereof lol and warm temperatures. It beats out 1997-98 in my book. It would've been closer if the late March rogue storm hadn't happened in 1997-98 but I think 2001-02 still would've won because of the milder temps and still very low snowfall totals. I think the LGA and JFK snowfall totals pre late March snowfall in 1997-98 were closer to what we saw in those places in 2001-02? WSI has 2001-02 lapping the field for lowest WSI by a mile.

Chris how long should that cold Mid March period last before we get back into a warmer pattern?

I'm looking through that ACY list to see which of their top winters had much less snow here and they were all blockbuster snowfall winters for us except for 1979 (because of the original Presidents' Day snowstorm I presume?), 1986-87 (right in the middle of the 80s snow drought, impressive!), and of course this winter. It's amazing that 1978-79 was even more snowy at ACY than 1977-78 was! 1978-79 stands out as the largest aberration, followed by this winter. It's also interesting to see 1988-89 on this list for BGM as that also bears similarities to this winter....did ACY also have a lot of snow that year, I remember the big February bust where they got over a foot of snow and we got a foot of virga lol.

New IPCC report is out https://twitter.com/i/events/1498348282447282181 and it's looking like things are a lot worse than we thought and happening faster than expected.

They have one for the elements too

Chris what was the average temp for the entire winter? 39.5?

LGA and JFK are far more representative of New York City snowfall impacts (and it's where people live). NYC is representative of office buildings. Can you post ACY numbers and norms too, Chris? It would be a useful comparison.