LibertyBell

There's been a really obvious change in climate between the 80s and now....it's going to be positively frightening on this planet by 2030, let alone the 2040 they mentioned in that report. The positive thing is that most oil rigs will be underwater and unusable by then so at least we'll be completely done with that menace and the fossil fuel cartel will be completely bankrupt by then and more states will have seen the light and banned fracking like NY has. Fracking has also been banned on a regional scale in NE PA too and the Delaware River basin in PA and NJ. More and more are seeing the light

You're right, the "real" snowfall across the 5 boroughs was between 20-25 inches south to north and west to east.

It's interesting how none of the pre 21st century winters averaged 40 or above besides 1931-32....what an aberration that winter was, what do you think the average winter temperature of that winter would be if it occurred now? Also interesting that the top 5 winters are all spaced 0.5 apart from one to the next while the ones behind them are more tightly clustered. I would put 2001-02 in a class all by itself, our mildest winter combining both snowfall totals or lack thereof lol and warm temperatures. It beats out 1997-98 in my book. It would've been closer if the late March rogue storm hadn't happened in 1997-98 but I think 2001-02 still would've won because of the milder temps and still very low snowfall totals. I think the LGA and JFK snowfall totals pre late March snowfall in 1997-98 were closer to what we saw in those places in 2001-02? WSI has 2001-02 lapping the field for lowest WSI by a mile.

Chris how long should that cold Mid March period last before we get back into a warmer pattern?

I'm looking through that ACY list to see which of their top winters had much less snow here and they were all blockbuster snowfall winters for us except for 1979 (because of the original Presidents' Day snowstorm I presume?), 1986-87 (right in the middle of the 80s snow drought, impressive!), and of course this winter. It's amazing that 1978-79 was even more snowy at ACY than 1977-78 was! 1978-79 stands out as the largest aberration, followed by this winter. It's also interesting to see 1988-89 on this list for BGM as that also bears similarities to this winter....did ACY also have a lot of snow that year, I remember the big February bust where they got over a foot of snow and we got a foot of virga lol.

New IPCC report is out https://twitter.com/i/events/1498348282447282181 and it's looking like things are a lot worse than we thought and happening faster than expected.

They have one for the elements too

Chris what was the average temp for the entire winter? 39.5?

LGA and JFK are far more representative of New York City snowfall impacts (and it's where people live). NYC is representative of office buildings. Can you post ACY numbers and norms too, Chris? It would be a useful comparison.

Forget Boston.... Atlantic City took us to the woodshed! Chris should list their snowfall amt and averages too.

fwiw this winter was better than any of those....first of all NYC undermeasured snow this season and secondly most people live near either JFK or LGA and both saw more snow (over 20 inches) and both saw double digits snowstorms as their biggest events. NYC was the outlier.

Tempwise I remember it was stated that for the coldest 90 day period of the year, it's really the end of the first week of December to the end of the first week of March.

Technically you're right about climate zones. On my seed planting guide, our subforum covers three climate/planting zones.

No I didn't say they shouldn't be part of our subforum, I just said their climate is like SIBERIA compared to what I'm used to lol. You might be right about Upton's forecast zone, I didn't even know where that extends to, but I always thought the CWA extended from Poughkeepsie to Monticello to Trenton to Toms River to Montauk to Groton to Danbury and back to Poughkeepsie. Basically the polygon made by connecting all those citys' airports. Is that approximately what it is?

I had that when I was in 7th grade I was in the hospital for 3 weeks lol

I think this is the way the ancients (and even some modern people) memorize historical texts and epic sagas. They were passed down through history in oral form. I've always been fascinated at how the Iliad and Odyssey were memorized by some and even the Bible and Koran. Now that requires some powerful brain usage. I remember earlier this year I was on the train and I didn't have access to a writing device and for some odd reason I started to form a rhyme in my head and since I couldn't write it down, I committed it to memory. It wasn't that long (about 20 lines) but I used the cadence of the syllables subconsciously to memorize it (I just realized this now that you mentioned this.....fascinating how our minds work!) And isn't it amazing that we remember this stuff all these years later? How old were you when you memorized pi? Long term memory always amazes me.

what about some random 2-4" event between March 15-22 which seems to often happen even in mediocre patterns? Or do you think March will be a total shut out (there aren't many of those.) It's very hard to get a 6" plus snowstorm without a great pattern after March 15th, but a 4" event can happen in such a pattern all the way thru the first 10 days of April.

lol a lot of us (including you might I add) post in the New England forum.

omg you're right! it almost sounds like a song. It's the way I did it, without consciously realizing how I did it. Did you get past 100? I always wanted to do it to 100 digits (I stopped at 50 since that was the challenge my friend gave), I might tackle that while I'm still youn....errr middle aged lol (48 now.) I didn't do e or the golden ratio, might as well try that too. But pi to 100 is my priority lol. I think I can do it because I also did the chemical elements (there were 109 at that time). You should try that too, I found that my fascination with the periodic table made it easier for me because I already knew the order of several groups (like the Lanthanides and the Actinides.)

doesn't sleet look a little dirty to you though? it doesn't have the sparkle of freshly fallen snow and doesn't look pretty as it falls.

you're not dumb at all lol....I don't know maybe it's some memory trick, I have no conscious control over it, it just happens.

Don is mid to upper 40s considered cold? I'd argue it's actually mild today, tomorrow will be cold.

No, March 1993 wasn't anywhere near one of the greatest east coast storms (the operative word being "coast").... you could say it was the greatest interior northeast snowstorm though (along with greatest interior southern snowstorm too). March 1888 coverage wasn't enough to get it up there either. The greatest east coast snowstorms of all time were..... Jan 1996, Jan 2016, Feb 2003, Feb 1983, Feb 1961, Feb 1978, March 1960

my favorite word has always been antidisestablishmentarianism and also memorizing pi to 50 digits when I was 12 lol let's see if I still remember it 3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937511 yup it's all still there lol It was a contest between me and another kid in my class to see who could memorize the most in one weekend, I did pi, the sq rt of 2, the greek alphabet, the constellations, the chemical elements and the presidents (first middle and last names backwards and forwards.) damn I miss those days that was a fun time when the sky was the limit and even the sky wasn't a limit lol btw you mentioned Alexander Pope earlier, I have his translation of the Iliad, it's still considered the best one.

Don or anyone with historical info, how common is it for Boston to get 8 inches + of snow while NYC gets under 1 inch? Is there anything such storms have in common in terms of teleconnections, which month they happen in, etc.? Thanks.