LibertyBell

exactly what I was thinking January and February will be great in this pattern forget the tucking, this will be like 09-10 with the strong el nino coming in You can already see the further offshore track setting up with the way tropical storms have been way offshore this year. This happened in many of our previous great winters and the tropical seasons prior to them like 1995

it would work in January and February. I have a feeling we have a 09-10 type winter incoming

wow how come this didnt make it up to NYC? the only one I remember in October is snowtober lol

nothing wrong with clear skies and no rain for at least 2 weeks-- we need the break

more salt on the roads than snow lol

Interesting-- where would you rank 2002-03? Another highly underrated long winter with a big centerpiece storm. I put 2002-03 ahead of 1977-78 and only barely behind 2010-11 or close to it. PD2 was on par or even better than the Boxing Day 2010 Blizzard and the season lasted until April! 2010-11 had longer duration snowcover though

Funny thing about these storms-- you usually either get 1-2 inches or you get 18"+ lol. It's extremely rare for a 4" or even a 10" total to verify. All or nothing

There was this big roof collapse of a supermarket in Massapequa during that big thaw, I remember that too.

I grew up near Sheepshead Bay! I miss it!

Definitely-- they shouldn't be allowed to dump anything.

Yesss those were all amazing. I have pictures from the December 1995 storm, it came at the start of the cold pattern. It was a 2 day snow event and on the second day a plane slid off the runway at JFK. That storm showed that winter meant business and snow from that event stuck around until Jan 1996 hit! I remember the November storm really well too, it was a surprise rain changing to snow event and we got 3-5 inches in that one. The March storms were amazing too-- in March 1996 we had 3 storms of more than 4 inches of snow! That was a long long winter with a 3 week thaw in between. The April storm was really good on Long Island even in Queens, you just had to be east of the urban areas for that one.

Looks like the extremely warm anomalies are actually coming from north to south (maybe from the polar region?) Vermont for example has already warmed by over 5 degrees on average during the winter? The lobster season in Maine is endangered too, those babies are migrating further north into the Maritimes now! They were once near Long Island, migrated to Maine and now they're headed for Canada!

John did you know of the plans to start spraying SO2 aerosols into the atmosphere every year starting in 2030? They think they can stop about 2% of solar insolation that way and perhaps lower temps by about 2C....but it has to be done yearly. It seems to be getting a lot of traction and some companies are already experimenting with it. It's said to be fairly inexpensive and what I read indicated that multiple nations would employ this geoengineering even though computer simulations show some side effects (moving rainfall patterns including monsoons further south for example.)

The thing I like about the Norfolk to JFK comparison though is "subtropical climate" plus we seem to have reached one of Norfolk's dubious records-- which is to say that JFK is now the only other place located on the east coast plain that has experienced a winter with a 40 degree average and 40 inches of seasonal snowfall in the same winter (that was 2015-16 with the 30" HECS in the middle of a mild winter lol.) There also seems to be a lot of plant and insect life here that belongs way down south.....

you dont need the radar to see that-- the clouds look really weird today because of the inversion layer

that February snowstorm and cold outbreak in 1996 was extremely underrated. It was an all time historic cold outbreak accompanied by a 1 foot snowstorm. Thats the best snowstorm of the year in most winters-- well it gets forgotten in 1995-96 lol

some parts of Long Island probably had 100" in 95-96

95-96 produced much bigger and all snow storms but it had the 3 week thaw in the middle of January 93-94 was much more mixed events with a historic ice storm thrown in. The big thundersnow event in Feb was extremely memorable though But no real HECS snowstorms in 93-94

Sure but Jan 2016 was far superior for both Allentown AND JFK, which is rare to get such 30"+ totals over a large area. I did love the Jan 1994 ice storm. It was historic here. Ice totals over 2" on the south shore near JFK? Does anyone keep ice storm totals?

its going to warm up nicely after that

still worth it to see mood flakes in May lol

WOOF my azz is an alltime classic

It was actually over 9" here in SW Nassau, just edging out the old record from Ayg 2011

Yes, this was our Jan 2016 of rainstorms! We jackpotted! Now all we need is a 10" rainfall to make the record complete lol

Dec 1992 with snow!