Oh I am not making any proclamations about the character of the winter as a whole. No one on the planet truly knows what is to come over the next few months. In the near term, if the means have the right idea, we may be heading towards a pretty hostile N/EPAC. There are also hints that the NA may be halfway decent at the same time- maybe a weakish east based negative NAO. The best outcome in that scenario (for mid/late Dec) would be avoiding above average temps in the east. Maybe we can hang close to "normal".