40/70 Benchmark

Eh....depends. If they are really strong and east-based....but I will take my chances with a weaker El Nino that is biased west any day of the week over La Nina of any type as far as snowfall goes. I know its different down there. I don't give a rat's a$$ about the cold if it isn't going to snow...last season was awful. I would take any of the last several years over that.

Seriously, though....I know this doesn't just happen overnight....I'm sure that the processess that triggered that post 2015 warm pulse have been materializing for a few decades, but its more recntly that its manifested in a more pornounced and accelerated rate of CC.

Well, I noticed it was warming back in the 90s, if you really want to get technical. But I think most feel like it accelerated after that 2015 El Nino.

Well, the 2013-2014 and 2014-2015 winters were both cold, which is why most consider the super El Nino of 2015 as being the catalyst.

Don't think so....bizarre way to celebrate summer-

I expect dews pretty much from now until September....maybe 3 or so days off along the way, but its dew season.

All I said was a break..I didn't say it would last.

95 here.

2011-2012 was awful.

Probably doesn't go out any further?

That looks more like the other guidance with the heat bottled up in the southern planes IVO Texas....more -EPO like. I buy that.

I feel pretty good about next season not being a complete blood bath is all I mean.

Just state with years lol I mentioned many....

I expect it to be warmer than last year, but not as warm as many of these seasons over the past decade...I don't think it will be prohibitively warm for a lot of us...but I also don't expect a predominate east coast storm track, either. I agree with Chris there.

Yes, they are heavily biased towards stock ENSO composites......and I know Chris called for the mismatch period, as did I, but I don't think anyone forecasted a +PNA and near normal temps in the seasonal mean....as impure as the PNA was at times being biased west and what not.... A mismatch period is one thing, but that just wasn't a warm winter per modern 1991-2020 climo I do think this trend is noteworthy despite the continued cool ENSO favor to the hemisphere...which is why I posted it. Not to claim its going to necessarily be cold.

Right....this is a tough pill for some to swallow, apparently.

Any long range ensemble suite is going to have a smoothed mean....and I know most of the climate guidance is an average of a number of runs smoothed out. This is why you never see 2 feet of snowfall predicated from an ensemble mean at day 7....it doesn't mean it can't happen, nor does it mean that the data doesn't have value. I agree the trend is somewhat important.

Which years? All of the 2nd year La Ninas?

Look like another nice break from the heat after about Wednesday.

I'll bet anyone $1000 that the CANASIPS seasonal was too warm in the fall of 2014 for the subsequent winter of 2014-2015. I mean in the seasonal mean...probably not for December.

Seasonal models are never going to accurately depict any anomaly of that magnitude, though....and obviously all of the higher magnitude anomalies have been warm over the past decade, so that is going to cause a cold bias. Go back to the fall of 2014 and show me a seasonal that nailed that anomaly.....

I seem to remember the CANSIPS being pretty consistent with showing a colder look last season...maybe I'm wrong. Anyway, I don't argue the inaccuracy of climate models at 6 month leads....I just posted it because I thought that the consensus was interesting.

If it were a wall-to-wall inferno and I posted it, do you think snowman would have posted a giggling emoji and called me Bluewave? He simply would have liked the post and perhaps made a passing comment about the IOD coupling with La Niña as added support.

How did I know posting the seasonal consensus would spark a debate because it isn't a blow torch.

Just to be clear, I was just thought that the current consensus was noteworthy.....I'm not expecting a cold winter.