The 4 Seasons Posted yesterday at 03:55 AM Author Share Posted yesterday at 03:55 AM 1 hour ago, vortex95 said: There were significant issues at many climate sites when ASOS was installed in the mid 90s concerning snowfall. Some sites like ORH have big gaps in the record b/c of this. So I would avoid F6 data when it is obvious it does not jibe w/ surrounding reports. And even when snow observations were set at climate sites were set post-ASOS, we know just from BOS the issues were still rife. And how about DCA official snowfall for the Bliz of '16?, what a joke when you look at other reports in the metro area. Well thats whats in the official, set in stone records so i have to use it if im going to highlight the airports on the map. A lot of them are wonky, not just BDL, and not just for the late 90s or 00s. People claim a lot of the NYC data is low, as recent as the blizzard of 2026, but it kinda is what it is. And BDR is notoriously low. yea i remember the blizz of 16 was very low for DCA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWx Posted yesterday at 10:46 AM Share Posted yesterday at 10:46 AM On 3/12/2026 at 6:25 AM, The 4 Seasons said: That was my suspicion as well, though it is never noted on any of the PNS from BOX during that time and the data is missing in the now data F6. Do you think it would be fair just to label those as BDL on the maps im doing for that time? Ill wait to see what @H2Otown_WX says No, I believe East Granby is different from the airport. I remember this coming up a long time ago. I don't exactly remember where, but believe it was near one of the schools. It's also kind of unfortunate that BDL is used for official measurements as it is regularly/generally the lowest accumulation for the area in any given average winter system... many times by many inches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted yesterday at 11:49 AM Share Posted yesterday at 11:49 AM 59 minutes ago, UnitedWx said: No, I believe East Granby is different from the airport. I remember this coming up a long time ago. I don't exactly remember where, but believe it was near one of the schools. It's also kind of unfortunate that BDL is used for official measurements as it is regularly/generally the lowest accumulation for the area in any given average winter system... many times by many inches It’s possible they had an observer doing measurements outside of the airport to represent BDL…just like how CON and PWM aren’t actually at the airports anymore. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 4 Seasons Posted yesterday at 01:09 PM Author Share Posted yesterday at 01:09 PM 1 hour ago, dendrite said: It’s possible they had an observer doing measurements outside of the airport to represent BDL…just like how CON and PWM aren’t actually at the airports anymore. i dunno Will seems to think that they are definitely for BDL, at least most of them he said. When i was reading old PNS they would sometimes state "within 2mi of major airports". So i guess the observers had to be within 2 miles of the airport itself as a requirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted yesterday at 01:20 PM Share Posted yesterday at 01:20 PM 7 minutes ago, The 4 Seasons said: i dunno Will seems to think that they are definitely for BDL, at least most of them he said. When i was reading old PNS they would sometimes state "within 2mi of major airports". So i guess the observers had to be within 2 miles of the airport itself as a requirement. I agree…probably for BDL. But they were canning human observers as ASOS took over so they may not have had anyone directly at the airport to do the obs. So they may have found a contract or volunteer observer close by. Not sure…just guessing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 4 Seasons Posted yesterday at 01:56 PM Author Share Posted yesterday at 01:56 PM A little late past the anniversary but i updated the pi-day blizzard as well as Dec 2009 and Jan 21-22 2014 with new snowfall maps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted yesterday at 07:19 PM Share Posted yesterday at 07:19 PM 5 hours ago, dendrite said: I agree…probably for BDL. But they were canning human observers as ASOS took over so they may not have had anyone directly at the airport to do the obs. So they may have found a contract or volunteer observer close by. Not sure…just guessing. That's almost certainly what happened. In ORH, they were able to get some measurements from the airport for a while despite no official observer, but then that stopped eventually and they started using an observer near the airport. This process happened faster at BDL. You see so many instances of no report at BDL airport but then you get "East Granby" and I also remember a few times seeing them identical when they happened to put both in the report. It's like when BOS had the Winthrop coop doing the Logan measurements for a while...you'd see something like "0.6 W Winthrop" and Logan airport would have identical totals to the nearest tenth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 4 Seasons Posted yesterday at 09:01 PM Author Share Posted yesterday at 09:01 PM 1 hour ago, ORH_wxman said: That's almost certainly what happened. In ORH, they were able to get some measurements from the airport for a while despite no official observer, but then that stopped eventually and they started using an observer near the airport. This process happened faster at BDL. You see so many instances of no report at BDL airport but then you get "East Granby" and I also remember a few times seeing them identical when they happened to put both in the report. It's like when BOS had the Winthrop coop doing the Logan measurements for a while...you'd see something like "0.6 W Winthrop" and Logan airport would have identical totals to the nearest tenth. Yep, i noticed that as well. Winthrop COOP was identical to BOS in virtually every event. Same thing with BDR for a long time, over a decade. The Trumbull COOP was identical to BDR which means the BDR ob was not taken in Stratford itself i guess and actually in Trumbull? Or vice versa. It's impossible for me to know for sure where these obs are taken at each airport and how they've moved or changed over the years, so i just place the ob right over the town that the airport is in and for BDL that's Windsor Locks and BDR is Stratford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted yesterday at 10:07 PM Share Posted yesterday at 10:07 PM 1 hour ago, The 4 Seasons said: Yep, i noticed that as well. Winthrop COOP was identical to BOS in virtually every event. Same thing with BDR for a long time, over a decade. The Trumbull COOP was identical to BDR which means the BDR ob was not taken in Stratford itself i guess and actually in Trumbull? Or vice versa. It's impossible for me to know for sure where these obs are taken at each airport and how they've moved or changed over the years, so i just place the ob right over the town that the airport is in and for BDL that's Windsor Locks and BDR is Stratford. Logan still does not have a dedicated observer the field but the observer is in East Boston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2Otown_WX Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago On 3/12/2026 at 6:25 AM, The 4 Seasons said: That was my suspicion as well, though it is never noted on any of the PNS from BOX during that time and the data is missing in the now data F6. Do you think it would be fair just to label those as BDL on the maps im doing for that time? Ill wait to see what @H2Otown_WX says Alright, got some info from my supervisor...so first of all there were no weather observers here from Fall of 1996 to Spring of 2000. Any snowfall data from 2000 to 2012 is also not from CWO's but from the Air National Guard about a mile northeast of where we're situated now. When we were in Terminal B there was no place to measure snow accurately. He isn't sure if the data (assuming there is any) from 96-00 was also measured there since he didn't start working here til a little bit after obviously since there were no observers at all. One thing to keep in mind is that the measurements were often inaccurate. For instance, in the Halloween 2011 storm ANG measured 8" but my supervisor said it was more like 11 or 12" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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