June 2025 discussion-obs: Summerlike

[SACRUS]

 

Records:

 

Highs:

EWR: 99 (2008)
NYC: 96 (2008)
LGA: 100 (2008)
JFK: 94 (1959)

 

 

Lows:

EWR: 49 (1972)
NYC: 49 (1972)
LGA: 48 (1972)
JFK: 51 (1998)

Historical:

 

1752 - It is believed that this was the day Benjamin Franklin narrowly missed electrocution while flying a kite during a thunderstorm to determine if lightning is related to electricity. (David Ludlum)

 

1816: A severe frost blackened fields of beans and cucumbers from VA to New England. In some areas of the NE, trees remained leafless well into June due to the long and cold spring. (p.33 Washington Weather Book 2002 by Ambrose, Henry, Weiss)
Chauncey Jerome's wife who lived in Plymouth, Conn. brought in some clothes that had been spread on the ground the night before, which were frozen stiff as in winter. (Scientific American, "The Year without a Summer" pp. 45 - 48)


1902: A tornado touched down a few miles east of Canton and moved through Kingston Mines, IL. Two people were killed near Canton, but much of the damage occurred in the Kingston Mines area, where 16 homes were destroyed. 20 men and 18 engines were buried in the roundhouse there. Eight people were killed further east, when buildings were destroyed by strong winds. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

 

1929: The first radiosonde was sent up by French Meteorologists.(Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

 

1957 - A dust devil at North Yarmouth, ME, lifted a 600 to 1000 pound chicken shelter into the air and carried it 25 feet. It landed upright with only slight damage. It is unknown whether any eggs were scrambled. (The Weather Channel)

1958 - A woman was sucked through the window of her home in El Dorado, KS, by a powerful tornado, and was carried sixty feet away. Beside her was found a broken phonograph record entitled Stormy Weather . (The Weather Channel)

 

1972: Record chill invaded parts of the upper Midwest. Locations that reported record low June temperatures for the date included: Jump River, WI: 23°, Blair, WI: 28°, Owen, WI: 28°, Alma, WI: 38°, Genoa, WI: 38°, Trempealeau, WI: 38° and Lynxville, WI: 40°. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

1987 - Thunderstorms produced 2 to 4 inch rains in southern Texas. Two and a half inches of rain at Juno TX caused flooding and closed a nearby highway. Flooding on the northwest side of San Antonio claimed one life as a boy was swept into a culvert. Thunderstorms in the north central U.S. produced an inch and a half of small hail at Monida Pass MT. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

1988 - Three dozen cities, mostly in the eastern U.S., reported record low temperatures for the date, including Elkins, WV, with a reading of 33 degrees. Unseasonably hot weather continued in the Northern High Plains Region. The record high of 105 degeees at Williston, ND, was their seventh in eight days. (The National Weather Summary)

1989 - Thunderstorms produced severe weather through the day and night across much of the southern half of the Great Plains Region. Thunderstorms spawned 14 tornadoes, and there were 142 reports of large hail and damaging winds. Hail three inches in diameter caused three millions dollars damage at Carlsbad, NM. Hail four inches in diameter was reported at Estelline TX and Stinnett, TX. Thunderstorm winds gusted to 80 mph at Odessa TX. (Storm Data) (The National Weather Summary)

1997: Flash Flooding occurred in many locations in Mississippi. Highway 80 and many other streets were flooded in and around Vicksburg. Water engulfed one person's car, but the person was rescued. This event caused $300,000 in property damages. Over 6 inches of rain fell in Lexington in a little over 3 hours. The torrential rains caused Bear Creek to overflow and flood much of the town of Lexington. 45 businesses were affected by the flooding and 30 of these suffered major losses. As many as 300 homes had water damage. This event caused 10 million dollars in property damages. Portions of Jones County experienced flash flooding as 3 inches of rain fell in just 1.5 hours over saturated ground.

 

2008: June 7 - 9 , New York, New York: New York City set record high temperatures for three days running: 96 °F, 96 °F, and 99 °F.

[LibertyBell]

2 hours ago, bluewave said:

LGA made it to 100° also. 6-30-21 was the last time they did there. It was when a piece of the record Western heat came east. Now with the major drought out West the record heat is beginning to focus out there again.

So we will need to watch for another piece of that heat coming east if the ridges can link up again from after the summer solstice. Anytime there is such a major drought out West, there is always the chance that 100° heat can come east if we can dry out for a week to 10 days. 

But since we didn’t get any 90° heat back in May, the chances for a high number of 100° and 90° days like 2010 and 2022 is less likely. But it doesn’t rule out generally above average summer temperatures and a few days in the 95° to 100° range at the usual warm spots like in NJ and in Central Queens. 
 

June 30,2021 highs

Astoria……..100°

Corona.…….103°

LGA………....100°

EWR…………103°

Harrison…...101°

Caldwell……100°

 

Too bad Long Island couldn't do it.  Although those places did hit 100, it still can't hold a candle to the record extreme heat we had in such years as 1993, 1999, 2010, 2011, etc.

 

[FPizz]

1 minute ago, uofmiami said:

All that drought talk….. 

It wasn't like it was made up, but we all knew it would end with weeks of weather like this. 

 

[LibertyBell]

23 minutes ago, SACRUS said:

 

64 / 63 cloudy , foggy and moderate rain. Looks to stay mainly cloudy day 4, with some potential clearing moving through CPA now coming eat later this afternoon.   Clear our and warm up Wed - Fri, with Thu next or first 90+ in the hotter spots.  Next front boundary and 4 days of clouds Sat - Tue next week before clearing out and warming by mid week / 6/18.   Heat building from the SW on north nd east and could see brief stronger hear 6/20 with overall warm /wet last 10 days that with the potential that it could turn hotter with the  expended heat source  into the east.

 

 

https://cdn.star.nesdis.noaa.gov/GOES19/ABI/SECTOR/eus/02/GOES19-EUS-02-1000x1000.gif 

 

 

Looks like the only day of rain with that next storm will be Saturday.

[LibertyBell]

Just now, FPizz said:

It wasn't like it was made up, but we all knew it would end with weeks of weather like this. 

 

it was a mini drought, not like what we saw in a real drought like 2002 when we had yellow/brown lawns.

[LibertyBell]

3 minutes ago, SACRUS said:

 

Records:

 

Highs:

EWR: 99 (2008)
NYC: 96 (2008)
LGA: 100 (2008)
JFK: 94 (1959)

 

 

Lows:

EWR: 49 (1972)
NYC: 49 (1972)
LGA: 48 (1972)
JFK: 51 (1998)

Historical:

 

1752 - It is believed that this was the day Benjamin Franklin narrowly missed electrocution while flying a kite during a thunderstorm to determine if lightning is related to electricity. (David Ludlum)

 

1816: A severe frost blackened fields of beans and cucumbers from VA to New England. In some areas of the NE, trees remained leafless well into June due to the long and cold spring. (p.33 Washington Weather Book 2002 by Ambrose, Henry, Weiss)
Chauncey Jerome's wife who lived in Plymouth, Conn. brought in some clothes that had been spread on the ground the night before, which were frozen stiff as in winter. (Scientific American, "The Year without a Summer" pp. 45 - 48)


1902: A tornado touched down a few miles east of Canton and moved through Kingston Mines, IL. Two people were killed near Canton, but much of the damage occurred in the Kingston Mines area, where 16 homes were destroyed. 20 men and 18 engines were buried in the roundhouse there. Eight people were killed further east, when buildings were destroyed by strong winds. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

 

1929: The first radiosonde was sent up by French Meteorologists.(Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

 

1957 - A dust devil at North Yarmouth, ME, lifted a 600 to 1000 pound chicken shelter into the air and carried it 25 feet. It landed upright with only slight damage. It is unknown whether any eggs were scrambled. (The Weather Channel)

1958 - A woman was sucked through the window of her home in El Dorado, KS, by a powerful tornado, and was carried sixty feet away. Beside her was found a broken phonograph record entitled Stormy Weather . (The Weather Channel)

 

1972: Record chill invaded parts of the upper Midwest. Locations that reported record low June temperatures for the date included: Jump River, WI: 23°, Blair, WI: 28°, Owen, WI: 28°, Alma, WI: 38°, Genoa, WI: 38°, Trempealeau, WI: 38° and Lynxville, WI: 40°. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

1987 - Thunderstorms produced 2 to 4 inch rains in southern Texas. Two and a half inches of rain at Juno TX caused flooding and closed a nearby highway. Flooding on the northwest side of San Antonio claimed one life as a boy was swept into a culvert. Thunderstorms in the north central U.S. produced an inch and a half of small hail at Monida Pass MT. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

1988 - Three dozen cities, mostly in the eastern U.S., reported record low temperatures for the date, including Elkins, WV, with a reading of 33 degrees. Unseasonably hot weather continued in the Northern High Plains Region. The record high of 105 degeees at Williston, ND, was their seventh in eight days. (The National Weather Summary)

1989 - Thunderstorms produced severe weather through the day and night across much of the southern half of the Great Plains Region. Thunderstorms spawned 14 tornadoes, and there were 142 reports of large hail and damaging winds. Hail three inches in diameter caused three millions dollars damage at Carlsbad, NM. Hail four inches in diameter was reported at Estelline TX and Stinnett, TX. Thunderstorm winds gusted to 80 mph at Odessa TX. (Storm Data) (The National Weather Summary)

1997: Flash Flooding occurred in many locations in Mississippi. Highway 80 and many other streets were flooded in and around Vicksburg. Water engulfed one person's car, but the person was rescued. This event caused $300,000 in property damages. Over 6 inches of rain fell in Lexington in a little over 3 hours. The torrential rains caused Bear Creek to overflow and flood much of the town of Lexington. 45 businesses were affected by the flooding and 30 of these suffered major losses. As many as 300 homes had water damage. This event caused 10 million dollars in property damages. Portions of Jones County experienced flash flooding as 3 inches of rain fell in just 1.5 hours over saturated ground.

 

2008: June 7 - 9 , New York, New York: New York City set record high temperatures for three days running: 96 °F, 96 °F, and 99 °F.

2008: June 7 - 9 , New York, New York: New York City set record high temperatures for three days running: 96 °F, 96 °F, and 99 °F.

 

Truly amazing and that wasn't even a hot summer in 2008.

[LibertyBell]

4 hours ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said:

Likely above average, 1-2 degrees. Absolutely agree about dews, lots of 88 with a dew of 75. Our climate is more resembling the coastal Carolina’s during summer. As the higher temps with lower dews combo migrates north to Montreal and Maine. 

above average but not a hot summer by any measure.

 

[LibertyBell]

4 hours ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said:

Likely above average, 1-2 degrees. Absolutely agree about dews, lots of 88 with a dew of 75. Our climate is more resembling the coastal Carolina’s during summer. As the higher temps with lower dews combo migrates north to Montreal and Maine. 

exactly why we need to get rid of all this useless excess water.

[LibertyBell]

9 hours ago, Rjay said:

Above average all time high averages, yes.  But probably not too much extreme heat.  I mean that's just gut bc long range forecasting is meh imo.  

thats not a hot summer though, above average driven by higher minima is a warm to very warm summer but doesn't fit the specific definition of *hot* which is defined by number of 90, 95 and 100 degree days.

[LibertyBell]

11 hours ago, JustinRP37 said:

Ticks do well when we have snow cover before any arctic outbreaks, which we had this winter. Then early spring being moist helps get them active again. It has really been ideal conditions. 

just one of many reasons why excessive rainfall is horrible (higher number of mosquitoes too.) time to start spraying soon.

 

[TWCCraig]

4 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

it was a mini drought, not like what we saw in a real drought like 2002 when we had yellow/brown lawns.

Lawns were pretty brown last fall, they didn't green up until December ironically.

It wasn't long lasting, but last fall was the driest stretch of weather this region has ever seen

[LibertyBell]

12 hours ago, donsutherland1 said:

I think it will be warmer than normal. The predominant pattern will likely develop in late June and then lock into place with some brief cooler periods.

That's a good way to put it Don.  Warm to very warm vs hot, which has a specific definition that involves number of 90+ days.

 

[bluewave]

9 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Too bad Long Island couldn't do it.  Although those places did hit 100, it still can't hold a candle to the record extreme heat we had in such years as 1993, 1999, 2010, 2011, etc.

 

We won’t see anything like the extreme heat the areas closer to the coast got those summers as long as this wet onshore flow patterns continue.

[LibertyBell]

1 minute ago, TWCCraig said:

Lawns were pretty brown last fall, they didn't green up until December ironically.

It wasn't long lasting, but last fall was the driest stretch of weather this region has ever seen

I guess you could call it a flash drought, I've noticed these are becoming more common.

I liked that we finally got a month with zero rainfall lol.

 

[LibertyBell]

2 minutes ago, bluewave said:

We won’t see anything like the extreme heat the areas closer to the coast got those summers as long as the we keep seeing all this onshore flow and rain.

Yep the number 1 thing we need for extreme heat is low rainfall lol.  2011 kind of bucked the trend there so maybe if it dries out for 2 weeks we can reset the pattern?

July 2011 had the most extreme heat (although it didn't last long) that I've ever seen here. My personal weather station hit 105.6 which is the highest I've ever seen here.  That also came after a la nina.....

 

[bluewave]

4 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Yep the number 1 thing we need for extreme heat is low rainfall lol.  2011 kind of bucked the trend there so maybe if it dries out for 2 weeks we can reset the pattern?

July 2011 had the most extreme heat (although it didn't last long) that I've ever seen here.

Yeah, we need westerly flow and dry conditions for areas closer to the coast to reach 100°. This is why places like JFK and ISP haven’t hit 100° since 2013. Generally above average summer temps, high dewpoints, and rainy. But we can’t set records for 90°+,95°+, and 100°+ days type extreme heat.

[LibertyBell]

8 minutes ago, bluewave said:

Yeah, we need westerly flow and dry conditions for areas closer to the coast to reach 100°. This is why places like JFK and ISP haven’t hit 100° since 2013. Generally above average summer temps, high dewpoints, and rainy. But we can’t set records for 95°+ and 100°+ extreme heat. 

Have you noticed that the return period for 100 degree days has been getting longer at JFK too? Back in the 40s, 50s and 60s it used to happen every few years and now it's only once a decade or so.

It's even getting longer at NYC, during the 40s and 50s, I think they got 100 degree days every other year, which is even more frequent than what I experienced in the 80s and 90s before the sensor issues cropped up.

It's probably because our climate becoming more humid is making it more difficult to get higher temperatures in the summer (so a combo of a wetter atmosphere, a wetter ground and onshore flow.)

The summers between 1944 and 1955 and then 1966 were chock full of records that haven't been matched since.

1944 had a record heatwave of 8 straight days of 8+ days in August and a separate 7 day heatwave in July.

1948 had 3 days of 100+ at JFK (later matched in 2010)

1949 had 5 days of 99+ at Central Park

1953 had that record 12 day heatwave at Central Park and another heatwave of 9 day length and 4 days of 100+ split between those two heatwaves (including the highest temperature ever recorded in September, 102).

1955 had a record 16 days of 95+

1966 had 4 days of 100+ at Central Park, in both June and July.  July 1966 had the highest temperature ever recorded at LGA (107) and JFK (104).

 

[Sundog]

30 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

it was a mini drought, not like what we saw in a real drought like 2002 when we had yellow/brown lawns.

A few years ago during summer the entire south shore was extremely parched

[LibertyBell]

1 minute ago, Sundog said:

A few years ago during summer the entire south shore was extremely parched

I think that was the year or it could have been 2010? I'm not sure.

[TheClimateChanger]

25 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Have you noticed that the return period for 100 degree days has been getting longer at JFK too? Back in the 40s, 50s and 60s it used to happen every few years and now it's only once a decade or so.

It's even getting longer at NYC, during the 40s and 50s, I think they got 100 degree days every other year, which is even more frequent than what I experienced in the 80s and 90s before the sensor issues cropped up.

It's probably because our climate becoming more humid is making it more difficult to get higher temperatures in the summer (so a combo of a wetter atmosphere, a wetter ground and onshore flow.)

The summers between 1944 and 1955 and then 1966 were chock full of records that haven't been matched since.

1944 had a record heatwave of 8 straight days of 8+ days in August and a separate 7 day heatwave in July.

1948 had 3 days of 100+ at JFK (later matched in 2010)

1949 had 5 days of 99+ at Central Park

1953 had that record 12 day heatwave at Central Park and another heatwave of 9 day length and 4 days of 100+ split between those two heatwaves (including the highest temperature ever recorded in September, 102).

1955 had a record 16 days of 95+

1966 had 4 days of 100+ at Central Park, in both June and July.  July 1966 had the highest temperature ever recorded at LGA (107) and JFK (104).

 

They just need to get rid of these automated weather stations, and go back to Cotton Region Shelters on rooftops, and I bet the number of 95 and 100F days would explode. Baltimore was one of the last places to get rid of its rooftop station, even after official observations moved to the airport, and it was having like a dozen days over 100F even when the official sites had zero! Keep in mind when they first moved to the airports, the instruments were generally sheltered on the roof - typically of the terminal building. It wasn't until later in the 1950s & 1960s, that they started moving to ground-based observations.

How not to measure temperature, part 48. NOAA cites errors with Baltimore's Rooftop USHCN Station – Watts Up With That?

[bluewave]

42 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Have you noticed that the return period for 100 degree days has been getting longer at JFK too? Back in the 40s, 50s and 60s it used to happen every few years and now it's only once a decade or so.

It's even getting longer at NYC, during the 40s and 50s, I think they got 100 degree days every other year, which is even more frequent than what I experienced in the 80s and 90s before the sensor issues cropped up.

It's probably because our climate becoming more humid is making it more difficult to get higher temperatures in the summer (so a combo of a wetter atmosphere, a wetter ground and onshore flow.)

The summers between 1944 and 1955 and then 1966 were chock full of records that haven't been matched since.

1944 had a record heatwave of 8 straight days of 8+ days in August and a separate 7 day heatwave in July.

1948 had 3 days of 100+ at JFK (later matched in 2010)

1949 had 5 days of 99+ at Central Park

1953 had that record 12 day heatwave at Central Park and another heatwave of 9 day length and 4 days of 100+ split between those two heatwaves (including the highest temperature ever recorded in September, 102).

1955 had a record 16 days of 95+

1966 had 4 days of 100+ at Central Park, in both June and July.  July 1966 had the highest temperature ever recorded at LGA (107) and JFK (104).

 

The atmosphere was much drier in those days than it is now. So even though the background pattern wasn’t as warm, it was easier near the shore with westerly flow to reach 100° from time to time. So extended 90° heatwaves were easier to achieve. This is why we haven’t had a 20 day official heatwave around the region since 1988. 

While the overall summer temperatures have been on the rise, the high end 100°+ heat has been missing since 2013 due to all the onshore flow and rain. Plus the higher dewpoints allow the 70° minimums to increase at faster rate than the 90° maximums. Also notice how much faster the 85°day count is increasing above the 90° day count. This is pointing to a much more humid climate with more clouds and showers. Higher dew points also prevent the overnight lows from dropping as low as they used to.

 

 

 

 

[Sundog]

23 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

I think that was the year or it could have been 2010? I'm not sure.

It was 2021 or 2022 or something like that

[Sundog]

That last graph by @bluewaveis the ugliest chart I've ever seen. 

[LibertyBell]

23 minutes ago, bluewave said:

The atmosphere was much drier in those days than it is now. So even though the background pattern wasn’t as warm, it was easier near the shore with westerly flow to reach 100° from time to time. So extended 90° heatwaves were easier to achieve. This is why we haven’t had a 20 day official heatwave around the region since 1988. 

While the overall summer temperatures have been on the rise, the high end 100°+ heat has been missing since 2013 due to all the onshore flow and rain. Plus the higher dewpoints allow the 70° minimums to increase at faster rate than the 90° maximums. Also notice how much faster the 85°day count is increasing above the 90° day count. This is pointing to a much more humid climate with more clouds and showers. Higher dew points also prevent the overnight lows from dropping as low as they used to.

 

 

 

 

In some way shape or form we're going to have to get rid of all this excess moisture from our atmosphere.  It's the only way to counteract rising sea levels and save our coastlines too.

Some of this thinking is sci fi but there's a lot we can do, including creating machines that will remove water vapor from the atmosphere and convert it to drinking water as well as transporting water to future space colonies on the Moon and Mars (that water will have to come from somewhere and taking it from Earth will benefit both us and them.)

Removing excess water vapor from the atmosphere is more important than removing excess carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, water vapor is the much stronger greenhouse gas.

[bluewave]

24 minutes ago, Sundog said:

That last graph by @bluewaveis the ugliest chart I've ever seen. 

Yeah, the number of 70° minimums has been on a very steep increase right up into Northern New England with the record high dew points. 
 

[LibertyBell]

30 minutes ago, bluewave said:

The atmosphere was much drier in those days than it is now. So even though the background pattern wasn’t as warm, it was easier near the shore with westerly flow to reach 100° from time to time. So extended 90° heatwaves were easier to achieve. This is why we haven’t had a 20 day official heatwave around the region since 1988. 

While the overall summer temperatures have been on the rise, the high end 100°+ heat has been missing since 2013 due to all the onshore flow and rain. Plus the higher dewpoints allow the 70° minimums to increase at faster rate than the 90° maximums. Also notice how much faster the 85°day count is increasing above the 90° day count. This is pointing to a much more humid climate with more clouds and showers. Higher dew points also prevent the overnight lows from dropping as low as they used to.

 

 

 

 

Don't the higher number of 85 degrees point to a more true tropical climate, there a lot of cities near the Equator that have this kind of climate, and also a lot of bugs-- ticks, spiders, mosquitoes, parasitic flies like the Tsetse Fly, leeches, etc.  Are we going to start seeing  exotic vermin on our shores and in our homes soon?

These bugs do not like extreme heat, what they want is warm overnights, very humid, very wet and frequently cloudy weather. That's what a true tropical climate gives them.

[winterwarlock]

1 hour ago, LibertyBell said:

Looks like the only day of rain with that next storm will be Saturday.

Still won't be a beach day on Sunday

[LibertyBell]

33 minutes ago, bluewave said:

The atmosphere was much drier in those days than it is now. So even though the background pattern wasn’t as warm, it was easier near the shore with westerly flow to reach 100° from time to time. So extended 90° heatwaves were easier to achieve. This is why we haven’t had a 20 day official heatwave around the region since 1988. 

While the overall summer temperatures have been on the rise, the high end 100°+ heat has been missing since 2013 due to all the onshore flow and rain. Plus the higher dewpoints allow the 70° minimums to increase at faster rate than the 90° maximums. Also notice how much faster the 85°day count is increasing above the 90° day count. This is pointing to a much more humid climate with more clouds and showers. Higher dew points also prevent the overnight lows from dropping as low as they used to.

 

 

 

 

Thanks Chris, can you show 95 degree days at JFK, are those flatlining like 90 degree days are?

[LibertyBell]

3 minutes ago, winterwarlock said:

Still won't be a beach day on Sunday

and even this Wednesday-Friday period with sunshine will have interference from wildfire smoke.

 

This is an annual thing now!

[LibertyBell]

51 minutes ago, TheClimateChanger said:

They just need to get rid of these automated weather stations, and go back to Cotton Region Shelters on rooftops, and I bet the number of 95 and 100F days would explode. Baltimore was one of the last places to get rid of its rooftop station, even after official observations moved to the airport, and it was having like a dozen days over 100F even when the official sites had zero! Keep in mind when they first moved to the airports, the instruments were generally sheltered on the roof - typically of the terminal building. It wasn't until later in the 1950s & 1960s, that they started moving to ground-based observations.

How not to measure temperature, part 48. NOAA cites errors with Baltimore's Rooftop USHCN Station – Watts Up With That?

I thought Watts Up With That is a climate change skeptic site though?