June 2025 discussion-obs: Summerlike

[WE GOT HIM]

3 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

more ground air pollution in 1993, 1999, 2010 and 2011?

I think it's worse now with more people driving lol

 

No look at air quality data was a lot worse back then

[LibertyBell]

2 minutes ago, MANDA said:

Like the idea that the recent rains here and over a large extent of areas to our west and southwest keep the dews up making the upcoming heat more oppressive.  Also like idea that recent rains here and possibly a 1" event before the heat arrives keeps max temps a few degrees lower than what they could be..  Either way if you like it cooler enjoy what we have now.

hopefully this heat is just the appetizer with the main show coming in July.

[LibertyBell]

Just now, WE GOT HIM said:

No look at air quality data was a lot worse back then

Hey we lived here back then, we didn't have AQI > 150 like we have now almost every other day back then.

[Sundog]

3 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

this is shitty weather, power bills, what about those of us who had our heat on?

We need our summer back and it's coming back and anyone who whines about wanting rain before September, I will pounce on them like a tiger on a lamb.

Your heat has been off since early April lol

Unless you sleep in a tent outdoors and you're referring to an electric heater

[MANDA]

Rainfall .64" here last 48 hours.  

On the upside my lawn has never looked better.

[WE GOT HIM]

6 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Hey we lived here back then, we didn't have AQI > 150 like we have now almost every other day back then.

 

[Sundog]

8 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

you know how I feel about average temperatures lol

only below average because the air was drier and so the mins were lower, but the heat was all time record breaking

 

We also had cool downs interspersed, not just lower minimums. 

[lee59]

.66 inch of rain here in latest event

[WE GOT HIM]

2 minutes ago, lee59 said:

.66 inch of rain here in latest event

All it does is is rain Lee it's it's crazy

[LibertyBell]

5 minutes ago, Sundog said:

We also had cool downs interspersed, not just lower minimums. 

I think that's a law of nature, if you have such extreme heat there has to be a cool down in between to give the heat time to reload.

With higher humidity you don't need that because the elevated mins create more warmth.

 

[lee59]

1 minute ago, WE GOT HIM said:

All it does is is rain Lee it's it's crazy

Especially the weekends.

[LibertyBell]

9 minutes ago, WE GOT HIM said:

 

thats crazy but I have a theory, did you see how low it was in 2004? this dip happened when our summers and years in general became rainier.  It was higher when our summers and years were drier.

 

[LibertyBell]

10 minutes ago, WE GOT HIM said:

 

also if you look at big heat summers like 1991, 1993, 1995, 1999, 2002, 2010 and 2011 you'll notice it wasn't as high in those specific years, so it makes me think it's more connected to rainfall rather than heat.

 

[LibertyBell]

17 minutes ago, Sundog said:

Your heat has been off since early April lol

Unless you sleep in a tent outdoors and you're referring to an electric heater

No I turned on my space heater in my bedroom as late as last night and early this morning I also use it to dry out the air when it's rainy outside.

air conditioning costs are much less than heating costs anyhow (I only use window units here).

 

[WE GOT HIM]

1 minute ago, LibertyBell said:

also if you look at big heat summers like 1991, 1993, 1995, 1999, 2002, 2010 and 2011 you'll notice it wasn't as high in those specific years, so it makes me think it's more connected to rainfall rather than heat.

 

I think there was a big drought in 1998 that lasted July and August and doesn't seem to have spiked

[LibertyBell]

Just now, WE GOT HIM said:

I think there was a big drought in 1998 that lasted July and August and doesn't seem to have spiked

I thought 1998 had a lot of rain because it was a super el nino, 2002 was the really dry/hot year, check it out.

[winterwx21]

4 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

the only water I want to see for the next three months is the water coming out of my hose and the water I drink and wash with.

 

Three months? That's crazy. We definitely need a drying out period right now, but we also don't want to go into another drought during the summer. How about a happy medium? Those of us with gardens care about getting enough rain. 

[LibertyBell]

1 minute ago, winterwx21 said:

Three months? That's crazy. We definitely need a drying out period right now, but we also don't want to go into another drought during the summer. How about a happy medium? Those of us with gardens care about getting enough rain. 

I'd like it to only rain at night if possible lol

My flowers are not in good shape

sunshine during the day and rain at night!

 

[Dark Star]

23 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

the seasons match astronomical seasons better, June 21 - September 21 is hotter than June 1 to August 31.

It's almost in the 50s now....

 

[bluewave]

41 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

are you sure this isn't from traffic congestion? the 2020s really have not felt anywhere near as hot as 1993 or 1999 did or 2010 or 2011 for that matter.

scientifically speaking it's much harder to get extended or extreme heat because of more water vapor in the air, so it really hasn't been as hot as it was in those years.

By the way, I was looking at wunderground a lot this past Thursday and one of those micronets reported a high of 97.5 right near JFK..... maybe they are running hot as JM said that day?

It’s been all about wind direction along with increasing rainfall and not traffic congestion. The strongest heat during the 2020s summers have been west of the sea breeze front in NJ.

Too wet with plenty of onshore flow for the 2010 and 2011 record heat to be rivaled east of the Hudson.

Notice how several spots in NJ nearly tied 2010 for 90° days as recently as 2022. One spot actually eclipsed the 2010 record for 90 days in 2022. Even Newark has had sea breeze influence compared to Highstown which set the their all-time 90° day record in 2022 ahead of 2010.
 

https://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/plotting/auto/?_wait=no&q=74&network=NJCLIMATE&station=NJ3951&season=all&dir=above&var=high&threshold=90&year=1893&_r=t&dpi=100&_fmt=png

 

 

[LibertyBell]

5 minutes ago, bluewave said:

It’s been all about wind direction along with increasing rainfall and not traffic congestion.  The strongest heat during the 2020s summers have been west of the sea breeze front in NJ.

Too wet with plenty of onshore flow for the 2010 and 2011 record heat to be rivaled east of the Hudson.

Notice how several spots in NJ nearly tied 2010 for 90° days as recently as 2022. One spot actually eclipsed the 2010 record for 90 days in 2022. Even Newark has had sea breeze influence compared to Highstown which set the their all-time 90° day record in 2022 ahead of 2010.
 

https://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/plotting/auto/?_wait=no&q=74&network=NJCLIMATE&station=NJ3951&season=all&dir=above&var=high&threshold=90&year=1893&_r=t&dpi=100&_fmt=png

 

 

being wetter and onshore flow are directly connected right? so the more onshore flow you have the wetter it will be.

I still maintain those micronets are overly cooked, there couldn't have been any 97.5 right near JFK or anywhere else in our area.  I can accept 91-93 last Thursday but anything higher than that seems overly hot.

 

[WE GOT HIM]

13 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

I thought 1998 had a lot of rain because it was a super el nino, 2002 was the really dry/hot year, check it out.

Oh it was 1995

[LibertyBell]

7 minutes ago, bluewave said:

It’s been all about wind direction along with increasing rainfall and not traffic congestion.  The strongest heat during the 2020s summers have been west of the sea breeze front in NJ.

Too wet with plenty of onshore flow for the 2010 and 2011 record heat to be rivaled east of the Hudson.

Notice how several spots in NJ nearly tied 2010 for 90° days as recently as 2022. One spot actually eclipsed the 2010 record for 90 days in 2022. Even Newark has had sea breeze influence compared to Highstown which set the their all-time 90° day record in 2022 ahead of 2010.
 

https://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/plotting/auto/?_wait=no&q=74&network=NJCLIMATE&station=NJ3951&season=all&dir=above&var=high&threshold=90&year=1893&_r=t&dpi=100&_fmt=png

 

 

it makes me wonder if those places actually undermeasured heat in 2010, LGA had 48 90+ days in 2010 which is going to be hard to match.

2010 was so far in excess of anything we have ever had, it was to summer what 1995-96 was to winter.

 

[LibertyBell]

1 minute ago, WE GOT HIM said:

Oh it was 1995

oh we had massive wildfires that summer

[LibertyBell]

10 minutes ago, bluewave said:

It’s been all about wind direction along with increasing rainfall and not traffic congestion.  The strongest heat during the 2020s summers have been west of the sea breeze front in NJ.

Too wet with plenty of onshore flow for the 2010 and 2011 record heat to be rivaled east of the Hudson.

Notice how several spots in NJ nearly tied 2010 for 90° days as recently as 2022. One spot actually eclipsed the 2010 record for 90 days in 2022. Even Newark has had sea breeze influence compared to Highstown which set the their all-time 90° day record in 2022 ahead of 2010.
 

https://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/plotting/auto/?_wait=no&q=74&network=NJCLIMATE&station=NJ3951&season=all&dir=above&var=high&threshold=90&year=1893&_r=t&dpi=100&_fmt=png

 

 

EWR comes closest to matching my personal experience which is that 2010 and 1993 were the two top summers.

 

[bluewave]

6 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

being wetter and onshore flow are directly connected right? so the more onshore flow you have the wetter it will be.

I still maintain those micronets are overly cooked, there couldn't have been any 97.5 right near JFK or anywhere else in our area.  I can accept 91-93 last Thursday but anything higher than that seems overly hot.

 

The micronets have been very reliable. They maxed out at 94° the other day a little higher than the airports which are cooler since all 3 ASOS stations are right on the water. Go just inland from the cooler airports and that is where the warmest urban areas are.

June 12th high temperatures

Corona, Queens…94°

Brownsville, Brooklyn….94°

Newark….92°

Astoria, Queens…91°

LGA….90°

JFK….90°

BDR…90°

FRG….89°

HVN…89°

ISP…..88°

NYC….87°

HPN….87°

 

[LibertyBell]

1 minute ago, bluewave said:

The micronets have been very reliable. They maxed out at 94° the other day a little higher than the airports which are cooler since all 3 ASOS stations are right on the water. Go just inland from the cooler airports and that is where the warmest urban areas are.

 

June 12th high temperatures

Corona, Queens…94°

Brownsville, Queens….94°

Newark….92°

Astoria, Queens…91°

LGA….90°

JFK….90°

BDR…90°

FRG….89°

HVN…89°

ISP…..88°

NYC….87°

HPN….87°

 

a little iffy about 94 since it's 2 degrees higher than Newark.

especially in Queens (that makes it 4 degrees higher than either LGA or JFK).

 

[wdrag]

Ill be off line most of the rest of the day so wont be able to comment further.  

Lets first see if Newark can indeed make 100 early next week.  It should feel 100+ but whether we can get to 100... 9 days in advance???  I've no reliable certitude. 

[LibertyBell]

4 minutes ago, bluewave said:

The micronets have been very reliable. They maxed out at 94° the other day a little higher than the airports which are cooler since all 3 ASOS stations are right on the water. Go just inland from the cooler airports and that is where the warmest urban areas are.

 

June 12th high temperatures

Corona, Queens…94°

Brownsville, Queens….94°

Newark….92°

Astoria, Queens…91°

LGA….90°

JFK….90°

BDR…90°

FRG….89°

HVN…89°

ISP…..88°

NYC….87°

HPN….87°

 

By the way, there was no inland superiority last Thursday we had zero sea breeze -- one of my sensors actually  recorded 93.7 at 4:30 pm on the north side of my house, but I don't record that number because it's near the roof of my house.

But based on the 94 you listed there, maybe it was accurate?

I still don't like the idea of being 4 degrees hotter than the airport especially on a westerly wind.

I know I was hotter than JFK here in SW Nassau, I just can't say 4 degrees hotter.  I went with the average of all 4 sensors I use and so went with 92.

 

[SACRUS]

 

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