famartin Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 I bet you sleep better when you go home in the summer. Guessing that the nights are pretty cool temperature wise down there. what part of Virginia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsentropicLift Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 what part of Virginia? Shenandoah valley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvantHiatus Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 I guess if you always lived in the city, then its normal to raise a family there, but having grown up in the green suburbs, I couldn't imagine doing it myself. I want my kids thoroughly indoctrinated to nature (whenever it is that I get around to having kids, anyway ) That's the spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazzo83 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 I bet you sleep better when you go home in the summer. Guessing that the nights are pretty cool temperature wise down there. June-Aug not so much, we have very high humidity. You will always have a couple 50s for lows each month, but low-mid 70s for lows are pretty common too. Bear in mind the official reporting station for the area is a regional airport in the middle of a field in the country, so it is usually several degrees cooler at night than in the more urban areas (yes, there are some denser areas of population in Staunton & Harrisonburg). The humidity though is on par with what you have through the SE, and since we get more frequent t-storms than the rest of the state you can have some truly soupy afternoons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazzo83 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 what part of Virginia? Staunton (Shenandoah Valley) and Charlottesville (just across the mountain!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Shenandoah valley Oh yeah, that area averages in the low 60s during the heart of summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsentropicLift Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 June-Aug not so much, we have very high humidity. You will always have a couple 50s for lows each month, but low-mid 70s for lows are pretty common too. Bear in mind the official reporting station for the area is a regional airport in the middle of a field in the country, so it is usually several degrees cooler at night than in the more urban areas (yes, there are some denser areas of population in Staunton & Harrisonburg). The humidity though is on par with what you have through the SE, and since we get more frequent t-storms than the rest of the state you can have some truly soupy afternoons. 70 at midnight is a lot better than 85 in the concrete jungle during July. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Staunton (Shenandoah Valley) and Charlottesville (just across the mountain!) Staunton average lows are 59.4 in June, 63.3 in July, 61.8 in August. Harrisonville is even cooler. Charlottesville average lows are varied (3 sites to pick from)... but average mid-upper 60s in July. 64.7 at the airport, 66.9 at 2W, 67.7 at 2SSE. This compares to Central Park's 68.8 July average low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsentropicLift Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 I slept with one window open last night, woke up at 6AM freezing. When I left for work at 7:45 my car thermometer read 45 degrees. Brisk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsentropicLift Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Staunton average lows are 59.4 in June, 63.3 in July, 61.8 in August. Harrisonville is even cooler. Charlottesville average lows are varied (3 sites to pick from)... but average mid-upper 60s in July. 64.7 at the airport, 66.9 at 2W, 67.7 at 2SSE. This compares to Central Park's 68.8 July average low. What's the average July low at KLGA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazzo83 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Staunton average lows are 59.4 in June, 63.3 in July, 61.8 in August. Harrisonville is even cooler. Charlottesville average lows are varied (3 sites to pick from)... but average mid-upper 60s in July. 64.7 at the airport, 66.9 at 2W, 67.7 at 2SSE. This compares to Central Park's 68.8 July average low. Staunton is probably 2-3 deg cooler than C'ville in reality, as is Harrisonburg, simply due to the elevation difference (approximately 800ft). The official Staunton lows if you are using the airport (KSHD) again are not really representative of any of the cities as they are from an airport that is at least 10 miles from any developed area. It is literally in the middle of a field that radiates incredibly well. If you are using the stats from the Staunton Water Treatment plant, that is on the fringe of the city in the woods at an elevation about 400-500 ft higher on average than most of the city. Even in C'ville it isn't quite representative. The airport is approximately 10 miles north of the city in a much less (yet still somewhat) developed area. The main part of Charlottesville has a comparable density to NW DC and is often several degrees warmer than the airport on any given night. Take this past night, for example: Lows - KSHD - 31F Station in Staunton (a weather bug station at the local middle school) - 37F Vine St, Harrisonburg - 36.5F KCHO - 43F Station in Charlottesville - 45F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazzo83 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 What's the average July low at KLGA? Right around 70 I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 What's the average July low at KLGA? 69.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Right around 70 I believe. 71.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Staunton is probably 2-3 deg cooler than C'ville in reality, as is Harrisonburg, simply due to the elevation difference (approximately 800ft). The official Staunton lows if you are using the airport (KSHD) again are not really representative of any of the cities as they are from an airport that is at least 10 miles from any developed area. It is literally in the middle of a field that radiates incredibly well. If you are using the stats from the Staunton Water Treatment plant, that is on the fringe of the city in the woods at an elevation about 400-500 ft higher on average than most of the city. I used the treatment plant. I don't think they did normals for the airport since its an AWOS... they only did them for ASOS's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthShoreWx Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 You know, I've yet to see a pine barrens fire which was natural. All the ones I remember were anthropogenic. As I recall, it was actually human influence which helps make the pines what they are today; without frequent human-caused fire, oaks would become dominant in most of the area, as they have in some sections already. This makes sense since prime fire season isn't summer thunderstorm season, but now, when cool dry winds can whip flames rapidly through last season's organic debris. The core of the barrens is actually from northern Atlantic north-northeast across southeastern Burlington and into western Ocean. Southwestern NJ, Salem County in particular, is actually a rather productive farm area. That's not the whole story. Humans also actively suppress fires and that may be a bigger influence than human caused fires. Those pine barrens were dependent on fire and existed before humans started lighting fires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 That's not the whole story. Humans also actively suppress fires and that may be a bigger influence than human caused fires. Those pine barrens were dependent on fire and existed before humans started lighting fires. If by humans you mean the white man, sure, but natives supposedly set a lot of fires long before the white man came. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsentropicLift Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 The 12z GGEM is pretty nasty for Friday-Saturday. 1.75"+ bullseye over the LHV with most areas here >1" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NycStormChaser Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 If by humans you mean the white man, sure, but natives supposedly set a lot of fires long before the white man came. Oh boy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Some snow showers might be possible along the path of the closed upper air low through New England over the weekend. 850s look to be -2 or so and ground temps look marginal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazzo83 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 I like talking about micro-climates! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazzo83 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 I used the treatment plant. I don't think they did normals for the airport since its an AWOS... they only did them for ASOS's. Yea, that is pretty close, but at night there can be several degrees of variance through the city. Elevation in the city is anywhere from about 1100ft in the NE to nearly 2000ft in the SE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Pretty serious brushfire down in ocean county http://berkeley-nj.patch.com/groups/police-and-fire/p/large-brush-fire-raging-in-berkeley-homes-evacuated UPDATE: Massive Brush Fire Rages In Berkeley, Ocean County; Homes, Schools Evacuated State Police are forbidding people from getting anywhere near the fire, telling people "the wind can switch at any minute." Posted by Tom Davis (Editor) , April 24, 2014 at 02:14 PM 113 53 More A massive brush fire is burning acres of land between Grand Central and Northern Boulevards in Berkeley, evacuating homes and sending families to shelter. Homes and other buildings from Northern to Maryland streets have been evacuated. Officers are in place to advise and assist fire-weary residents who can't get back to their homes. Toms River Intermediate South dismissed its students early, and the children have been sent to the Pine Belt Arena. Berkeley schools announced that they will not be busing children home immediately because of the fire. State Police are forbidding people from getting anywhere near the fire, telling people: "The wind can switch at any minute." "Public safety is our first priority," a state trooper told a reporter. Massive plumes of smoke filled the air Thursday afternoon while sirens blared. An unidentified woman running down Northern Boulevard, with a cell phone in her ear, yelled at a crowd: "Who's house is on fire?" Central Regional is holding students who live on Grand Central, Western and Northern boulevards at the high school and middle school while the massive brush rages, according to a robocall from the school district. The fire is in the Pinewald section of Berkeley Township, an area heavily forested with scrub pines and oaks and prone to fires. Northern Boulevard residents Robert and Joan Martinez stood in the street outside their home and listened to helicopters thundering overhead, making sweeps over the smoke. The couple said despite the order to evacuate, they are staying put. They went through this before in 2002. Robert has five hoses and spigots which he said he can use. "I've got my hoses," he said. "I'll put them on my roof. We are not leaving this house. They just told me I have to evacuate. I told them we cannot evacuate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Oh boy Here's a good article which includes mention of pre-white settlement burning practices. http://www.state.nj.us/pinelands/infor/curric/pinecur/fenjpb.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsentropicLift Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Rain for tomorrow and Saturday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsentropicLift Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 HPC starting to creep towards a very wet next seven days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rjay Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 He grew up down in one of the prettiest parts of the Virginia. I have a hard time understanding how he prefers concrete, constant noise, bad smells and snooty people over green grass, trees, a nice house and genuinely nice people.Completely disagree with the snooty people part. I find the majority of New Yorkers pleasant.Nice day out...would be gorgeous if the winds were a little less intense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsentropicLift Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Completely disagree with the snooty people part. I find the majority of New Yorkers pleasant. Just the term New Yorker is offensive. Where else in this country do people define themselves by the city in which they live in? You don't see anyone claiming to be a Los Angler or a Chicagoer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rjay Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 I like talking about micro-climates! This! Always found that so interesting. I bet every county has some sort of micro climate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 This! Always found that so interesting. I bet every county has some sort of micro climate. Come out west sometime, you'll be astounded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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