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That’s awesome. Looks like tropical

Yeah—I wonder how, if at all, PV shear impacts Grace if it’s further south. Agree on the ridge in August given how big time it is but once we get to September and October that ridge probably opens the door to East Coast threats as troughs become more likely. I can see a situation where you get big ridge trapping waves and steering them west—>front comes east to weaken ridge and tugs TC northward toward east coast—>ridge rebuilds Another thing to watch is whether we really see ridging in maritime Canada in September. If we do, as the guidance seems to suggest, watch out. Not saying every system will be an EC threat, but this is a very strong signal for multiple threats should the steering pattern materialize during the peak.

That’s a simple explanation They had two radars on the flight so they would know.

Unbelievable that RIC is letting me down.

Such a sensitive forecast. It looked like a more poleward solution was on the table when the 12z guidance initialized more organized, and now it’s all shifted well south but could change quickly if there’s a center reformation or greater organization. Big changes all in the span of a few hours. Fascinating stuff.

What an incredibly sensitive forecast. Recon finds a mess of a system, and subsequently the guidance shifts south and effectively shreds Grace over the Greater Antilles. A lot to sort out because small changes will have big downstream impacts.

Weird recon flight.

Yep. We’ll have to wait for surface observations to confirm whatever is happening in the most intense convection. **shrug**

Latest dropsonde report says it was dropped in the center, but they haven’t sampled anything further west, which looks to be showing some organization on radar. Interesting. Product: NOAA Temp Drop (Dropsonde) Message (UZNT13 KWBC)Transmitted: 14th day of the month at 17:49ZAgency: National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) Aircraft: Lockheed WP-3D Orion (Reg. Num. N43RF) Storm Name: GraceStorm Number: 07 (flight in the North Atlantic basin)Mission Number: 1Observation Number: 02 ( See all messages of this type for this mission. )Part A... Date: Near the closest hour of 18Z on the 14th day of the month Highest Mandatory Level For Which Wind Was Reported: 850mb Coordinates: 15.7N 59.8W Location: 109 statute miles (175 km) to the ENE (76°) from Roseau, Dominica. Marsden Square: 042 ( About ) Surface and Standard Isobaric Surfaces Level Geo. Height Air Temp. Dew Point Wind Direction Wind Speed 1014mb (29.95 inHg) Surface (Sea Level) 25.4°C (77.7°F) 23.9°C (75°F) 305° (from the NW) 2 knots (2 mph) 1000mb 120m (394 ft) 24.4°C (75.9°F) 23.7°C (75°F) 285° (from the WNW) 2 knots (2 mph) 925mb 804m (2,638 ft) 21.8°C (71.2°F) 19.2°C (67°F) 325° (from the NW) 3 knots (3 mph) 850mb 1,535m (5,036 ft) 18.2°C (64.8°F) 16.4°C (62°F) 85° (from the E) 5 knots (6 mph) Information About Radiosonde: - Launch Time: 17:34Z - About Sonde: A descending radiosonde tracked automatically by satellite navigation with no solar or infrared correction. Remarks Section... Dropsonde Location: Dropped in center. Highest altitude where wind was reported: - Location: 15.74N 59.81W - Time: 17:34:15Z Lowest altitude where wind was reported: - Location: 15.74N 59.82W - Time: 17:36:52Z Mean Boundary Level Wind (mean wind in the lowest 500 geopotential meters of the sounding): - Wind Direction: 155° (from the SSE) - Wind Speed: 2 knots (2 mph) Deep Layer Mean Wind (average wind over the depth of the sounding): - Wind Direction: 90° (from the E) - Wind Speed: 3 knots (3 mph) - Depth of Sounding: From 841mb to 1012mb Average Wind Over Lowest Available 150 geopotential meters (gpm) of the sounding: - Lowest 150m: 160 gpm - 10 gpm (525 geo. feet - 33 geo. feet) - Wind Direction: 290° (from the WNW) - Wind Speed: 2 knots (2 mph)

It’s not a bad idea to sample the broader circulation, and it could allow for a NE to SW pass later.

Not seeing anything particularly impressive so far but the western side still needs to be examined.

I’d be shocked (and would toss it) if it didn’t come in stronger, at least for the next 48 hours. It should continue to organize before PR. After that TBD but that organization should tick it northward enough to miss much of DR/Haiti.

You can see how initializing stronger before the Greater Antilles impacts downstream. What a ridge too. Still a longer range set of solutions so the usual model caveats apply.

No surprise the guidance is picking up on higher end solutions for Grace now that they’re initializing stronger, but good God at the strength of that ridge. That’s a legit Miami and Gulf threat.

Probably. Not sure it’s chugging all the way to Texas however. Really high ceiling for Grace though IMO.

Seems a little far west to me, but I guess we’ll see. Without a trough or weakness induced in the ridge it’d just keep chugging WNW.

GFS basically threads the needle again and brings a strong system into the Gulf.

Recon is en route to Grace.

That ridge is legit. Either it’d have to get poleward before te Greater Antilles to get steered into the SE or round the ridge in the Gulf and get lifted northeast by a trough like the GFS showed IMO.

Tropical Storm Grace Discussion Number 5 NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL072021 1100 AM AST Sat Aug 14 2021 Grace is sending mixed signals on its intensity this morning. The storm has been producing persistent convective bursting since overnight, which would suggest that some strengthening has occurred. The latest subjective data-T numbers are 2.5 (35 kt) from TAFB and SAB, while objective satellite estimates are higher, roughly between 45-50 kt. Then, an ASCAT pass from 1302 UTC showed winds between 35-40 kt. Given these data, the initial intensity is set at 40 kt. A NOAA Hurricane Hunter aircraft is scheduled to investigate Grace this afternoon to provide a better estimate of the storm's intensity. Grace is speeding along toward the west (280 degrees) at 19 kt. Mid-level ridging, entrenched over the western Atlantic, is expected to weaken slightly during the next couple of days. This evolution should cause Grace to slow down to 10-15 kt by Sunday night and Monday and take on a west-northwestward heading. That general trajectory should continue through the end of the forecast period. The track guidance is tightly clustered during the first 48-60 hours or so, showing Grace moving near or across the Leeward Islands, Puerto Rico, and the Dominican Republic. On days 3-5, there is a little more spread, with a few models keeping the system on a southern track across Cuba while others show tracks across the Bahamas. The NHC track forecast splits this difference and continues to show a track running between Cuba and the Bahamas, very close to the HCCA consensus solution. Deep-layer shear is forecast to be 10 kt or less for the next 36 hours or so while Grace is approaching the islands of the Greater Antilles. The thermodynamic environment also appears conducive for strengthening, but the system's continued fast motion is likely to be an inhibiting factor on the rate of intensification. The NHC intensity forecast remains on the conservative side, bringing Grace's intensity up to 50 kt by the time the storm reaches the Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico, but it should be noted that this forecast is on the lower side of the guidance. Only one model, the HWRF, brings Grace to hurricane strength, but it does this by having the storm move farther north and avoid land interaction altogether. The intensity forecast is highly uncertain on days 3-5 since it depends on exactly how much Grace moves over the Greater Antilles, and there is some model signal that increasing northeasterly upper-level winds over the Bahamas and Florida could become a negative factor. Key Messages: 1. Tropical storm conditions are expected in portions of the Leeward Islands tonight and early Sunday, and the Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico on Sunday. Tropical storm conditions are possible over eastern parts of the Dominican Republic by early Monday. 2. Heavy rainfall could lead to flash and urban flooding over the Leeward and Virgin Islands. Across Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic, heavy rainfall may lead to flash, urban and small stream flooding, along with the potential for mudslides. 3. There is a risk of wind and rainfall impacts across the rest of the Dominican Republic, Haiti, the Turks and Caicos Islands, the Bahamas, and Florida next week, and interests in those areas should monitor the progress of Grace and updates to the forecast. FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS INIT 14/1500Z 16.2N 57.9W 40 KT 45 MPH 12H 15/0000Z 16.8N 60.6W 45 KT 50 MPH 24H 15/1200Z 17.5N 63.8W 50 KT 60 MPH 36H 16/0000Z 18.1N 66.4W 50 KT 60 MPH...OVER PUERTO RICO 48H 16/1200Z 18.6N 68.6W 50 KT 60 MPH...OVER DOMINICAN REP. 60H 17/0000Z 19.4N 70.7W 45 KT 50 MPH...OVER DOMINICAN REP. 72H 17/1200Z 20.5N 72.8W 45 KT 50 MPH...OVER WATER 96H 18/1200Z 22.8N 77.3W 45 KT 50 MPH 120H 19/1200Z 25.4N 81.2W 45 KT 50 MPH $$ Forecaster Berg

Fred is dead. For now.

It should be early afternoon from what I saw online. Here's the link to find recon plans, but sometimes it's easiest to just follow on Twitter (I follow the official recon page and @TheAstroNick) in case there are flight changes. I believe today's flight will have both low level recon and high level environmental sampling that'll go into the models. https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/recon.php

Good point. Probably still a bit tilted, so it'll be helpful to see what kind of organization there actually is when recon gets there. Early morning microwave images showed strong convection, but not much in the way or banding or the kind of organization you'd see with a TC putting up an inner core. The last few hours have looked good from the satellite view however, and I'm starting to think the models that showed a weaker system into the Greater Antilles are going to be way off. Note how both the GFS and Euro show some organization right before PR. As this slows down and aligns it could ramp up a good bit given where it is right now and the favorable environment ahead.