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I found three more but don't know that any can be trusted or even recognized, especially since they're all well up in elevation (over 3,600 feet) just like Helena: links to last 7 days: 1) Ruby Valley Field (KRVF) : 1066.62 on 12/22 at 7:35 AM MST https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=Krvf&hours=168 Dec 22, 7:35 am -31 -38 67 N 0 SCT026 SCT031 1066.62 25.65 30.59 2) Ennis Big Sky Airport (KEKS): 1065.65 on 12/22 at 9:55 AM MST: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=Keks&hours=168 Dec 22, 9:55 am -29 -38 60 N 0 10.00 CLR 1065.65 25.02 30.51 3) Ravalli County Airport (KHRF}: 1059.57 on 12/22 at 8 AM MST: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=Khrf&hours=168 Dec 22, 8:00 am -24 -29 75 SE 5 10.00 BKN031 BKN039 1059.57 26.81 30.64

I have 39.2 after being only in the lower 40s earlier this afternoon.

From best I can tell, I'm guessing no records and high 1050s, which would not be a record despite still quite possibly being the strongest high since 12/1983. I can tell you that the highest for MT, IF this link to hourlies at Helena has accurate SLP data, is at least 1056.5 mb (this says that occurred at 8:53. AM MST on 12/22): https://w1.weather.gov/data/obhistory/KHLN.html 2208:53Calm1.25Fog/MistFEW002-31NANANANA30.711056.5

Although model consensus is keeping any surface low pressure too far offshore to give the deep SE wintry precip 12/26-7, the clipper associated with the 2nd upper level disturbance is giving accumulating snow (mainly light) to some areas well inland in the SE per the consensus between the PM of 12/26 and the AM of 12/27. The 12Z UKMET fwiw gives a portion of N AL and much of N central to N GA accumulating snow late Mon afternoon through Mon evening with as much as 1-1.5" Anniston, AL, to LaGrange, GA, and 0.5" in the SW ATL burbs to near the airport. Previous runs had nothing like this. Temperatures preceding this on Monday only rise to the middle to upper 30s after lows well below freezing. The 850s are a bit below freezing. Thus, the air and ground will be plenty cold enough. So, Monday afternoon and night could get quite interesting in parts of the SE. The disturbance leading to this clipper is not even going to reach the Pacific NW/SW Canada coast for another 36 hours. So, lots of uncertainty remains for something only 3.5 days away. Edit: But the 12Z Euro says it is still too dry for snow.

Today's 12Z model consensus, if anything, is a bit further from SE significant wintry precip 12/26-7 vs yesterday's runs. With it now being one day closer, the already pretty low chances have dropped further. I would have expected something more showing up by the 12Z runs today, like a closer to the SE coast surface low formation, if the trend were heading toward a threat. Yesterday was sort of headed toward that but today has backed off.

I just noticed that the following thread is addressing the very strong cold coming in starting tomorrow:

Although the 0Z Euro still doesn't give the SE wintry precip, the 2nd disturbance is stronger (more closed off) and a little further west for the same timeframe vs the 12Z. This results in the sfc low forming near the Bahamas on 12/27 being a little further west. As a result, rain gets further north in FL to St. Augustine vs Daytona on the 12Z run and to the coastal waters of the Carolinas vs 100 miles offshore on the 12Z. This run does nothing to sway me away from the possibility of later runs giving the SE wintry precip from this.

Latest highest SLP in MT is ~1053 mb. Keep in mind that this isn't based on station measured pressures as they have to be converted to SLP and much of MT is up several thousand feet. These SLPs will be rising considerably tonight. I can already say that the UKMET is going to verify way too low. This makes me wonder about how it converts to SLPs. Something's off bigtime. Map with current SLPs: https://www.spc.noaa.gov/exper/mesoanalysis/new/viewsector.php?sector=11&parm=pmsl&underlay=1&source=1#

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The 18Z GFS has nothing wintry over the SE from either post frontal H5 disturbance. However, similar to the 12Z Euro, it does have from the 2nd disturbance a surface low that forms well offshore the SE coast. If there were to actually be a low that tracked, say, 200 miles west of that track, with about the same amount of cold air, there'd probably be a significant winter event 12/26-27 deep into the SE. Keep in mind that this as well as the Euro low were generated by a disturbance currently 7,000 miles away from us and 4,000 miles off the Pacific NW coast where data is relatively limited and that isn't going to cross the Pacific coast for another 3 days. The pattern is quite complex with the huge Arctic high and another H5 disturbance ahead of this one by just one day. When considering all of this, a 200 mile west shift for something 5 days out isn't hard to fathom. So, though the odds favor no big deal 12/26-7 over the bulk of the SE from either disturbance based on model consensus continuing to keep it mainly quiet, a change to a big deal would not be the least bit shocking.

With the historic cold coming in just two days and affecting the entire SE, I was wondering if someone should start a separate thread just for the cold, itself (like a storm thread but for cold). This would be good for documentation purposes as regards folks wanting to look back at the great cold outbreak of 2022 and how SE members were affected. As regards the significance of this event, it certainly would warrant its own thread just based on its widespread and intense effects. Opinions would be appreciated. If nobody else is interested in a separate thread, then there'd be no need for it. But I recommend it.

Well, we're now only one day away. Here's the 12Z run update for today for the highest SLP in mb in the lower 48 on 12/22 vs runs from 24 hours ago (1064 is all-time lower 48 record back to late 1800s): GFS 1067 (0) JMA 1065 (+1) ICON 1063 (-1) Euro 1059 (-1) CMC 1059 (0) UKMET 1052 (+1) AVG ~1061 (no change) The UKMET is either going to shine or fail with their continued much lower SLP vs other models. If I throw out the highest and lowest, the average is 1061.5 mb. Friday is going to be one of the most dramatic days in a long time for the entire SE! *Edit: The 12Z NAM runs have 1067-8 mb depending on the resolution!

The 12Z UKMET has light accumulating snow over far N AL/GA on 12/26 followed by light accum snow over part of C GA, SC, and SE NC that night.

The 12Z Euro (and last few runs) is trending to somewhat more robust at H5 with the lead post frontal disturbance for early 12/26, but it still has nothing to show for it (too dry) at the surface. This run then has a more robust follow up disturbance at H5 (it is quite impressive) along with it being colder over the SE vs prior runs meaning a later ending window for possible wintry precip. It is faster moving than on the 0Z run and has light snow over N AL from this late on 12/26 to early 12/27. It also has cold rain (39F) as far north as Daytona Beach early 12/27 as a weak surface low forms just NE of the Bahamas. These disturbances are still 5-6 days away from the SE and are still well out in the Pacific with a huge Arctic high to precede them. Thus, the uncertainty level for what the SE will or wont experience on 12/26-27 is still high and higher than normal for 5-6 days out.

Thanks. My statement about this being the first run like this was incorrect and I'll edit it out. I had a brain fart as you're correctly pointing out that this timeframe has had a signal on the models for a week now. On the GFS, the 0Z 12/14, 0Z 12/15, and other 12/15 runs had significant wintry precip going deep into the SE late 12/25 through 12/26 and I even posted clown maps for three of these runs lol.

Yesterday's and this morning's cold rain (much needed) was by far the heaviest here in months with 1.50"!

Fwiw regarding the first post frontal upper level disturbance, the 12Z GFS has on 12/26 snow virga over far S MS at 6Z, S and C GA at 12Z, and at the NC/SC border near the coast at 18Z. This is not the first run doing something with this as several GFS runs on 12/14 and 12/15 had significant wintry precip deep into the SE late 12/25 into 12/26. Is this a sign that this disturbance could do more over land in future runs ~12/26 being that this is still 5 days out in a complex/highly anomalous pattern? FYI, this run has a 1067+ mb high over MT on 12/22. The alltime record is 1064. It is very likely overdone somewhat, but even so we're still looking at a good chance for the strongest lower 48 Arctic high since 12/1983. Any opinions? *Edited for corrections regarding past GFS runs for 12/26

Based on the pre-Euro 0Z model consensus, I'd say we're no closer to eliminating the possibility of significant winter precip in the deep SE ~12/26-7. As a matter of fact, this GFS run was the closest call in several days. We're still 5-6 days out and lots can change on the modeling in this highly complex setup that likely includes the strongest SLP in decades. Keep in mind that the energy associated with the 12/26-7 threat is still thousands of miles offshore the US west coast and won't be coming ashore for nearly 3 days.

Besides the strong cold, itself, it looks like to me as of now that there are two packets of energy that the models are harping on after the cold arrives: - one that hits the NW US coast late on 12/23 followed by a dive down to the Gulf compliments of the +PNA and with it affecting the SE to a quite unknown degree ~12/26-7, when it is still cold enough for potential wintry mischief - one that hits the NW US coast only one day later that also dives and then affects the SE to an unknown degree ~12/27-8, when the air modifies enough such that wintry mischief wouldn't be as easy to occur in the more southern areas And then we have a highly anomalously strong Arctic high (possibly the strongest since 12/1983) with Siberian origins in the mix. So, it isn't a simple pattern for the models to resolve over the next 8 days or so. Keep in mind that the two aforementioned packets of energy don't leave the relative data deprived ocean for still 3-4 more days.

Update for 12Z runs today for the highest SLP in mb in the lower 48 on 12/22 vs runs from 24 hours ago: GFS 1067 (0) ICON 1064 (-4) JMA 1064 (+1) Euro 1060 (-1) CMC 1059 (-2) UKMET 1051 (0) AVG ~1061 (-1) Record 1064 If I throw out both the highest and lowest, the average is ~1062. We're still looking at a highly anomalous Arctic plunge coming up, something that the models will not be able to handle easily. Thus expect extra high model volatility and disagreement to continue for the SE, especially for 12/25-8. Also, 12/23 is going to be an amazing day for weather lovers as the extremely strong cold front plunges down, something not seen often.

Further to the above, the 12Z EPS shows a rather strong signal (much stronger than earlier runs) for a surface low offshore the SE at 162 (1 AM 12/27). Keep in mind that this is about a week out, which is still plenty of time for significant changes on the models:

The period ~late 12/26 to early 12/27 still looks somewhat up in the air to me for the SE, especially near the coast, for wintry (mainly for ZR or IP) when seeing maps like the one below from the 12Z Euro. This shows very light rain for Jacksonville, FL, while the rain is just offshore GA/SC where temps are in the high 30s, wetbulbs are near 32, and 850s are still only ~+3 to +4 (cold enough to possibly support ZR). Though the odds remain pretty low, it wouldn't take too much of a change for this to instead be a stronger coastal storm with wintry precip:

Update for 12Z runs today for the highest SLP in mb in the lower 48 on 12/22 vs runs from 24 hours ago: ICON 1068 (+3) GFS 1067 (-1) JMA 1063 (-1) Euro 1061 (-1) CMC 1061 (+2) UKMET 1051 (-1) AVG ~1062 (no change) Record 1064 UKMET as it has been on the other days I've checked is a strong outlier on the low side. If I were to throw out the lowest and highest (UKMET and ICON), I'd get an average of 1063, which compares to 1062.5 from 24 hours ago.

The 12Z JMA at 192 hours (12Z on 12/27) on TT has a strong wedge extending quite deep into the SE from a 1037 mb NE high and a weak N GOM low forming as the jet buckles. Precip is breaking out before hour 192 (late 12/26-early 12/27) over LA, C and S MS and AL, west central and SW GA, and NW FL with 850s between -2 C and +5C. Based on past Gulf lows with a strong wedge north of them and 850s this cold, this area of precip is likely mostly wintry of various forms, with snow falling in the N portion of the precip from far N LA to part of SW GA (where 850s are below 0C) and IP/ZR due to the strong wedge likely reaching almost to, if not to, the Gulf coast, including much of NW FL and as far SE as near Gainesville.

Further to the above, 12Z Euro case in point! This period is hardly settled.