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Ha...mostly just the drizzle and wind combined with the temps. Partly cloudy and 45 would be great.

Although I have to admit that 45F and drizzle at peak heating on May 28th isn’t so good. Seasons in seasons...

Wow...18F on May 28th.

Coldest low temps in MN this morning: Hibbing 21 Ely 23 Orr 23 Bemidji 24 INL 24 - new daily record (old record 27 in 1947)

And Marshfield isn't even in far northern WI; it's 44.67N. Light snow (1.75 mile vis), and 33/30 at 6 am. Area Forecast Discussion National Weather Service Green Bay WI 702 AM CDT Fri May 28 2021 Updated aviation portion for 12Z TAF issuance .SHORT TERM...Today...Tonight...and Saturday Issued at 405 AM CDT Fri May 28 2021 Scattered light rain across central and east central Wisconsin will end this morning as the upper low exits the southern part of the state. A little snow may mix in across central Wisconsin. Clearing skies are expected during the day as drier air advects in from the 1030 mb surface high centered over Lake Superior. Highs today will be much warmer than yesterday, but still about 15 to 20 degrees below normal for this time of the year. The computer models forecast the surface high to move into Wisconsin tonight, as a sharp upper ridge approaches from Minnesota. Clear skies, diminishing winds and very dry air are all favorable for temperatures to fall quickly tonight. In fact the precipitable water values forecast for tonight are near the all time lows for late May in the last 70 years of record keeping. Lows in the 20s are a good bet west of an Iron Mountain to Wausau line. Further east it will be in the low to mid 30s. Areas near the lake and bay may escape a frost or freeze but the remainder of the area looks likely to receive one. Record low temperatures are likely in a few places.

This is probably close to the coldest temps on record for so late in the season. The point forecast for INL is calling for an overnight low of 21. URGENT - WEATHER MESSAGE National Weather Service Duluth MN 322 PM CDT Thu May 27 2021 MNZ010>012-018>021-025-026-033>038-WIZ001>004-006>009-280830- /O.CON.KDLH.FZ.W.0001.210528T0300Z-210528T1400Z/ Koochiching-North St. Louis-Northern Cook and Lake-North Itasca- Central St. Louis-Southern Lake-Southern Cook-North Cass- South Itasca-South Cass-Crow Wing-Northern Aitkin-South Aitkin- Carlton and South St. Louis-Pine-Douglas-Bayfield-Ashland-Iron- Burnett-Washburn-Sawyer-Price- Including the cities of International Falls, Ely, Isabella, Bigfork, Hibbing, Two Harbors, Silver Bay, Grand Marais, Walker, Grand Rapids, Pine River, Brainerd, Hill City, Aitkin, Duluth, Pine City, Hinckley, Superior, Washburn, Bayfield, Ashland, Hurley, Grantsburg, Spooner, Hayward, and Phillips 322 PM CDT Thu May 27 2021 ...FREEZE WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM 10 PM THIS EVENING TO 9 AM CDT FRIDAY... * WHAT...Sub-freezing temperatures as low as 20 expected. * WHERE...Northern Cook and Lake, Koochiching, Southern Cook, North St. Louis, North Itasca and Central St. Louis Counties. This includes the Tribal Lands of the Grand Portage Reservation and the Bois Forte Band, Deer Creek, Lake Vermilion and, Nett Lake areas. * WHEN...From 10 PM this evening to 9 AM CDT Friday. * IMPACTS...Frost and freeze conditions will kill crops, other sensitive vegetation and possibly damage unprotected outdoor plumbing.

Well said. I only came across James’s posts as an occasional observer in the NE forum; this is so sad. My thoughts are with his family, friends, and all who knew him well on this board. And congratulations to James for publishing his novel. It speaks of dedication, passion, and courage...no matter what stands in your way.

I think this is an urban legend. Besides how insane that would be (just seems to defy any logic)...I can't find any evidence of this occurring. Not that wikipedia is gospel, but the page below shows that MN's latest measurable snow is June 4th (1935)...and earliest measurable is September 14th (1964). No measurable snow has ever occurred in July & August. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Minnesota_weather_records Plus, this page indicates the all-time record low for Grand Portage in July is 38F: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Portage,_Minnesota

A dry cold front passed through Las Vegas yesterday, with some incredibly dry air...and cold temps for the time of year. At 3 PM yesterday, it was 85/-19, RH 1%. I've never seen an RH of 1% before, or even 2-3%. It may only hit the low 70s today, and drop into the low 50s tonight. Normals are 91/68.

Some low temps in IL this morning: DPA 30 ARR 30 JOT 32 FEP 32 Here 32...latest freeze imby since 5/18/2002 (31) DKB 33 IKK 34 SPI 34 (!) RFD 35 ORD 37

Actually dropped to 30 here this morning, one of the colder spots in IL as we avoided the clouds. ORD and RFD were in the mid 30s, and even the typical cold spots were 32-34 due to lingering cloud cover. Agree about tonight...thinking 33-35 here, maybe 30-32 in the cold spots. Still pretty chilly for May 12th.

Was looking through Chicago wx records, and came across a strange stat: the 1993-94 winter season is the only one in Chicago history with zero measurable snow March 1st or later. A few years had no measurable snow in March, but then there was some in April...but not so in 1993-94. This is an unexpected stat mainly because the 1993-94 winter was decent around here, with the arctic outbreak in January and then two good snowstorms in late Feb. I guess everything shut off completely after that. And, apparently Chicago had a trace of snow (not hail) on 5/25/1924...even as no temp records (low or low max) were set that day. Record low for May 25th is 32 in 1992 (latest freeze in Chicago history); record low max is 44 set in 1893.

FEP dropped to 27, DKB 31, JOT 33, RFD 34. It's maddening that even RFD has noticeable UHI now. Low of 34 here in what I'd call the "moderate UHI" area of SW Lake County IL.

Yep...high/low of 85/38 here today.

Ugh...too early in the season. Should take a trip to MKE airport...49 there, 86 here.

When I said "shocking" upthread, it wasn't so much related to expected future snowfall or any IMBY weenie view about winter fading away. It's from a climate/environmental perspective. People can debate how much of the change is being driven by UHI vs. background warming...but either way it's very bad when January mins increase 5F over 30 years. What will it be like in the next 50-100 years? Take your pick - either humans are significantly altering climo in specific locations significantly via development and parking lots and dark surfaces and buildings (and it's only getting worse)...or there is background warming happening very quickly. It also doesn't really matter if the general public appreciates warmer mins in January. Perhaps they would...but it doesn't fix the concern.

Thanks RC...I guess it’s good to know that RFD’s numbers are much less dramatic, and therefore nearly all of the increase is driven by UHI...although perhaps warmer lake temps could come into play too. But even a 0.3F increase in the annual mean temperature at RFD is noteworthy over such a short period of time. It’s a slow and steady bleed. Another piece of data, if I have my numbers right: ORD’s average low during mid January was 13F (1961-1990 normals), and is now 18F (1991-2020 normals). So, an increase of 5F over 30 years. Just speechless...

Wow. Unfortunately, your post is probably the most shocking in this forum's history, but will get overlooked by many. Probably deserves its own thread. Chicago is becoming St. Louis at night. This should also be a huge news story for the general public. Does anyone know the increase in average annual temp at ORD, after switching to the 1991-2020 normals?

RECORD EVENT REPORT NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FAIRBANKS AK 159 AM AKDT SAT APR 10 2021 ...RECORD LOW MINIMUM AND MAXIMUM TEMPERATURES SET AT FAIRBANKS YESTERDAY... FAIRBANKS RECORDED A LOW TEMPERATURE OF -27 DEGREES YESTERDAY. THIS SHATTERS THE PREVIOUS DAILY RECORD OF -16 DEGREES SET IN 1911. THE HIGH TEMPERATURE YESTERDAY WAS ONLY 3 DEGREES. THAT BREAKS THE PREVIOUS DAILY RECORD FOR COLDEST HIGH TEMPERATURE OF 11 DEGREES SET IN 1911. YESTERDAY WAS ALSO THE LATEST IN THE SEASON FOR A HIGH TEMPERATURE IN THE SINGLE DIGITS FOR FAIRBANKS ON RECORD. THE PREVIOUS LATEST WAS APRIL 7TH IN 1966.

Bettles reported a 6am AKDT temperature of -38F (-38.9C). This is a new record for Bettles for the month of April. Previous record was -37F (-38.3C) set April 7, 1986. Climate observations at Bettles since May 1944. As expected, the Fairbanks 12Z upper air sounding showed the coldest April low-level airmass on record (since 1948): lowest 1000-500mb thickness 4857gpm; lowest 1000-850mb thickness 1174gpm; lowest 925mb temp -26.7C. Nome airport low temp Friday morning of (at least) -20F (-28.9C) is not a daily record (-24F, -31.1C in 1924) but this is the latest in the spring with a temp of -20F or lower in 44 years: -21F on April 12, 1977. http://ak-wx.blogspot.com/2021/04/arctic-blast.html

An already impressive winter in interior Alaska is going out with a bang, with snow and cold. 2-day snowfall of 13.2" on April 3-4 in Fairbanks, which brought the snow depth to 40". This is the highest snow depth since 1993. Snow depth on 4/7/2021 was still 38", 2nd highest so late in the season (only 1991 was greater). Could be a bad year for flooding and river ice break-up. Fairbanks just set a new record for consecutive days under 40F: (1) 179 days: 10/11/2020 to 4/7/2021 - still active (2) 176 days: 10/3/1965 to 3/27/1966 (3) 171 days: 10/8/1994 to 3/27/1995 With clear skies and fresh snow cover, Fairbanks dropped to -24 on 4/6/2021, which is the 3rd coldest temp on record so late in the season (-24 on 4/7/1986 and -32 on 4/10/1911). It was even colder at some other sites: -36 at Jim River DOT (Mile 138 Dalton Highway); -34 Norutak Lake RAWS; -33 Bettles. There is an even colder airmass lurking for this upcoming weekend, where Fairbanks could hit -25 or -30. Normal temps for this weekend are 40/16. Per Rick Thoman: "By several measures, the Utqiaġvik 00Z Thu RAOB records the coldest April low-level airmass on record (since 1948). Lowest 850mb temp -35.5C; lowest 1000-850mb thickness 1138 gpm; lowest 1000-500mb thickness 4803 gpm." http://ak-wx.blogspot.com/2021/04/even-colder-on-way.html http://ak-wx.blogspot.com/2021/04/extreme-cold-approaches.html

An already impressive winter in interior Alaska is going out with a bang, with snow and cold. 2-day snowfall of 13.2" on April 3-4 in Fairbanks, which brought the snow depth to 40". This is the highest snow depth since 1993. Snow depth on 4/7/2021 was still 38", 2nd highest so late in the season (only 1991 was greater). Could be a bad year for flooding and river ice break-up. Fairbanks just set a new record for consecutive days under 40F: (1) 179 days: 10/11/2020 to 4/7/2021 - still active (2) 176 days: 10/3/1965 to 3/27/1966 (3) 171 days: 10/8/1994 to 3/27/1995 With clear skies and fresh snow cover, Fairbanks dropped to -24 on 4/6/2021, which is the 3rd coldest temp on record so late in the season (-24 on 4/7/1986 and -32 on 4/10/1911). It was even colder at some other sites: -36 at Jim River DOT (Mile 138 Dalton Highway); -34 Norutak Lake RAWS; -33 Bettles. There is an even colder airmass lurking for this upcoming weekend, where Fairbanks could hit -25 or -30. Normal temps for this weekend are 40/16. Per Rick Thoman: "By several measures, the Utqiaġvik 00Z Thu RAOB records the coldest April low-level airmass on record (since 1948). Lowest 850mb temp -35.5C; lowest 1000-850mb thickness 1138 gpm; lowest 1000-500mb thickness 4803 gpm." http://ak-wx.blogspot.com/2021/04/even-colder-on-way.html http://ak-wx.blogspot.com/2021/04/extreme-cold-approaches.html

RFD hit 21 this morning, DKB 19, ARR 16. 22 here. Pretty impressive for April 2nd, especially considering there's no snow cover upstream in the Upper Midwest.

First, a disclaimer: Not everyone needs to agree with me. I fully understand that. But, please...just let people vent. Yes, this is very emotional for me. It may not be for others, and that's fine. To your question...it's the lack of sustained cold, and the lack of consistency. Winter is supposed to be a season, not a 3-5 week period. During the holidays and the shortest daylight of the year, we had essentially zero winter. I'm talking Thanksgiving through Jan. 10 or so. For example - from 12/1 to 12/28 at ORD, there was no measurable snow, and even at night the temp rarely dropped below 20. So, that's essentially 28 days in a row without winter, when the days are the shortest. It's fine if it's not 100% wintry during that period...but we had nearly 0%. That's a big deal. I've said many times that total snowfall is not our issue here. It's temps. Being at 42N and needing everything to go right is very stressful and draining. It's not fun having to wake up every day and hope for everything to go right in order for winter to exist. It should just "be". It's just not good. The most frustrating thing is that, even in the depth of winter, our normal high is 30. So, half the days are 30 or warmer, assuming a normal distribution. When you go outside in winter, it should feel really cold. Not just "chilly", but cold. We get occasional cold outbreaks here, but not sustained cold. Like a high of 20 and a low of 0. Not crazy Fairbanks or Barrow cold...just typical winter cold...where you need and want to wear a hat and gloves to be outside. No one, including me, is denying that we had solid winter for 5 weeks...including a very good 3-week period. But winter is 13 weeks, not 5. The same thing happened in Jan 2019. We had a good 2-3 week period, including a great arctic outbreak...but then 2 days later it's back in the 40s...in early Feb. And, after GHD I in Feb 2011, we had a 22" snow depth which completely melted within 2 weeks. That shouldn't happen; it's maddening. Typical days in Jan should be 15-20 in the afternoon, with lows 0-5...and typical days in Dec & Feb should be in the 20s, with lows 10-15. Nothing crazy...just "regular" cold that can be counted on. Winter is supposed to be cold. Maybe you get a few mild days in the 30s, with an occasional 40...but there are just too many days with highs of 35+ in DJF. There should not be puddles and liquid outside during winter. Here is the ideal winter pattern. No, it doesn't need to be Barrow or Fairbanks (and I have never said that)...but simply seasons in seasons. Nov 20 - 30: highs in 30s, ground starts to freeze...laying the groundwork for met winter to begin Dec 1 - 10: 5-10" of snowfall, most days in the 20s or colder, occasional day in the 30s Dec 11 - 20: 5-10" of snowfall, ponds & lakes start to freeze...most days in the 20s, very rarely gets above freezing Dec 21 - Jan 31: 10-15" of snowfall, looks like a winter wonderland...even if some years are wintrier than others. Must have a White Christmas - no compromise. Feb 1 - 15: 5-10" of snowfall, snow depth getting close to peak, everything still frozen. Temps warming a bit...but most days still in the 20s. Feb 16 - 28: 5" of snowfall, *gradual* melting...most days 25-35, but still no days 40+. Ponds and lakes slowly come out of hibernation, but still frozen. March 1 - 15: 5" of of snowfall, melting going pretty strong by Mar 15. Ponds and lakes finally thaw around Mar 15. All snow gone by Mar 21, the first day of astronomical spring. Then full-out spring can begin after that...

Yep...hope you have a good time. Several weeks ago, we planned a trip for mid-March in northern WI, to enjoy some relaxation and dog sledding. Will probably get cancelled due to the current below-normal snow cover and expected mild temps coming up over the next 7-10 days.