I understand bluewave, there are just 2 ways at looking at those stats and to me they are both correct in their own way. For example, lets say you are in a car race with 5 cars, 4 tie for first and then there is the last car. Well you could say the last car was 2nd and if you went by time that is correct. However the actual finishing spot is 5th or last. Now Islip certainly did have the 12th highest temperature this summer but that can be misleading in that you might think it to be the 12th warmest summer ever. Not so, ties now count and Islip had the 17th warmest summer because 16 other years were warmer. That is all I am saying.