Carvers Gap

Updated with better graphic....Here you go...12z compared to 6z...d10.5-15.5. This is 5d mean. The actual final outcome late in the run is far more impressive than this. I like using a 5d mean in order to show this isn't just a one or two day change. This was a wholesale change which means it is an outlier until it gets support. The Aleutian Ridge leaves and the cold heads SE. That is how you draw up an Arctic outbreak. Again, NOT SAYING this is going to happen, but it is always wise to pay attention when a model switches up like that.

That is a large scale shift after 240 - massive. That is what HLB can do in response to an uncooperative MJO.

Actually that couplet begins around the 280 mark. The destruction of the Aleutian Ridge begins about 240. This not just an evolution which begins past 300. Basically, the -NAO region retrogrades. The Pac Ridge connects, gets pulled eastward, and that is how you switch a pattern. NOT saying that is going to happen, but it is a potential. We all need to be rooting for that trend to continue!!!!

That would be a -AO/-NAO couplet on the 12z GFS. Doubt that is right, but there it is beginning around 300.

IF the ensembles are correct, we should begin to see the operationals spit out some runs that look similar. The 12z GFS is a massive break from its earlier runs...adios Aleutians Ridge. Massive block up top. Trough should come eastward.

Doesn't look uncommon at all for weak La Ninas to stall. Good nugget right there. 98-99 was one of those late 90s winters which I don't remember fondly. I remember the grass never really turning brown during one of those - think it was that one. The West was coming off several bad years of drought. Thing to remember there is that we had several really strong El Nino's and a flipped AMO which didn't allow for a lot of variation other than warmth. Cool post. In the age of social media, a 30 day stall would be fun...only to see it snap back cold after everyone had given up. If the weather has taught us anything it Is to expect the unexpected.

The time frame just after Christmas has generally been warm on modeling for several runs. No surprise there. The time frame prior to Christmas it was modeled cooler than it will actually be, and that will be a bust. Less warm for sure, but just one BN day here at TRI. All three ensembles have a similar look in the 500 pattern in the same time frame as yesterday. GEFS is probably 24 hours slower. The 0z GEFS looked not great. The 6z returned to form. The MJO is definitely hitting a wall. Whether it stays there, no idea. Again, LR modeling has done really well for several weeks now in picking up the long wave pattern. Ensembles look good this morning. The 6z GEFS looks about as good as one can draw it up. We will see today how modeling reacts to the MJO staying in 7 longer. One note, if I am remembering correctly, the EPS/Euro was adamant that the MJO would loop back into 6. It didn't. However, the Euro/EPS has been correct about the warmer temps. So, taking a blend of the MJO between the GEFS and EPS is prob not a bad idea. I think this winter is just repeating a lot of what occurred last winter without the late December cold snap. I strongly suspect that the cold finds its way eastward at some point. 98-99 certainly lurks as a dud analog, but there are many which support a colder push eastward in a quick reversal of previous weeks' warmth. We should all be thankful the MJO isn't stuck in 3-4-5-6. We often talk about climatology. January is often our coldest month of the year(not speaking of norms but actual temps). I suspect it will live up to that again this year. North of I-40 we can get by with temps slightly AN. I am not convinced the MJO takes the full circuit 8-1-2. However, as La Nina wanes later this winter, it might. More likely it would loop back through the COD into warmer phases during mid-Jan. Late Jan and Feb could see a full circuit. I think the counter balance will be the NAO region. The SER will fight, but the storm track should get suppressed once it is fully established, and that should allow periods of cold to push eastward. BTW, I don't think the potential cold snap in early January is a pattern change. Looks like the pattern will be...cold builds in the West and then pushes eastward. I wouldn't be surprised to see the cold linger in the east at some point per November's pattern. Just don't see that yet...though the GEFS at 6z is close. The Canadian is outstanding...just not sure I buy that at this point. Again, MBY doesn't really see snow prior to Jan. Past decade has really had more snow prior to January than at any point I can remember. IMBY, winter is Jan-mid March. Way too early for me to worry. Long post which didn't say a lot, but there ya go.

Yeah, the setup on ensembles mildly worries me, especially western areas of the forum. I also feel like there is a loose connection to big wintertime tornado outbreaks and winter storms following -2-3 weeks later in our regions.

I don't see a delay at this point, but it certainly could happen. Looks like the Jan 2/3 timeframe has been moving forward nicely during the past several days. But we have definitely seen cold shots pushed back this winter and during past winters. Just part of it. Several days ago, this wasn't even on ensembles and now it is. I always kind of feel like getting a pattern inside of d10 is key - almost there. Indeed, the features which will induce blocking are due to begin forming within 2-3 days. If cold "delays" on modeling, it will often hang up between d10-12 as it comes into focus. In other words, when that happens it wasn't real in the first place. The real fun, Mr. Kevin, is tracking a great storm for 10-12 days and have it only turn into a frontal boundary with some backside snow. Time will tell. I certainly understand the concern though!!!!

The 18z GEFS is very close to nice winter pattern. Verbatim it is.

Yeah, the 18z GEFS is stout in NAO land.

LOL. What is that we say in the SEC, "It just means more."

Indeed, overruling events began to show up yesterday at 18z and 0z. VERY concerned right now that we see something similar to last winter.

Interestingly, LR guidance(to quote someone from the MA) nailed the long wave pattern we are currently in. Sure, the details were lacking and details MATTER in weather. That said, I feel like the long wave pattern for January....if I had to make a call today...troughs are going to likely roll through and some cold ones at that during the first half of January. Could it LR guidance bust? Sure, we live in the subtropics, and there is a strong argument for warmth as well. We don't live in Minnesota or interior Maine or Montana where snow is the norm. Rain is the norm here. So, and to paraphrase what PSU said in the MA forum, we are looking for windows. The window during the next couple of days didn't work out, BUT the pattern did produce a coastal slp. Cold wasn't there. And then we arrive at timing...we just don't know at this range when referencing the 10-15 window. So to repeat, we know the pattern is base warm right now. My seasonal forecast is base warm which I put out(ideas and not a true forecast) in June. Individual months will likely be boom or bust from those ideas. That said, my January ideas of a warm month are in jeopardy. I think it will go AN, but in the same way it became apparent December was going to be warm, January kind of looks seasonal to me...and that will get the job done most years. So, LR guidance in reference to the long wave pattern looks decent, and modeling for that since early December has been pretty good. Let's see if it holds serve.......

If the CPC is correct, it will be available. Now, timing is another discussion completely. Bigger concern, again, is that systems producing precip are infrequent. That will make timing cold/precip much more difficult.

The Austrialian MJO looks great. Looks like maybe a seasonal Jan. Someone at CPC has to be smiling after that Jan map. Cause I bet they were sweating after that 12z suite yesterday!!!!

And precip is above normal with seasonal Jan temps. We take.

Euro Weeklies 30 day temps from Jan 3 to Feb2 are normal. Intrusions of cold and a SER in the mix of course! Nice run.

Compliments of the MA forum....I'm just gonna leave this right here for you all to interpret. This explains the last 24 hours pretty much.

Great run of the 12z GEFS and GEPS ensembles. Canadian was bitterly cold with -10 departures from normal at times. @Holston_River_Rambler, we need some GIFS. LOL.

12z GFS has single digits in NE TN in early January behind a very strong trough amplification. Starting to see some of those runs now. GEFS doesn't look too bad as well.

Interesting to see the 6z CFSv2 move back to a colder look after the first. Anyone know if there is another MJO source as the CPC is not updating for American modeling? Looks like a graphics glitch. I can always just look at it on modeling, but just too lazy to do so. The plot is much easier. Plus, you can see where each ensemble strand is.

No idea. @John1122 found the info. He had some great comments, so I will let him clarify. I would suspect that helps us early in Jan, and then flips to a hindrance.

John had a good post earlier about phase 7.

What is showing up on modeling is a gradient winter storm track. It is WAY out there so please take with a grain of salt. It is likely that gradient is not in the right place. If modeling is just now catching the strength of the NAO, could be more suppressed. Also could trend north if the model is overplaying the NAO. Looks awfully familiar to last year.