Roger Smith

Nice to see everyone (just about) is planning to continue, I did mention a more lenient deadline as is our custom in early January, so anyone has the opportunity to edit these up to whatever deadline I eventually set (assume it will be no earlier than Jan 2 18z) ... and I'm going to post during the day tomorrow because I haven't had any time to look at guidance (believe it or not, I do look at it) -- and happy new year, still back in 2020 here in Pacific time zone, can't wait to escape it. (and any late lookers, you don't need to post anything until morning of Jan 2nd, if you would prefer to wait)

Apologies, I'm a bit late getting this thread posted. Will set a more firm deadline for entries on the morning of Jan 2nd once we see how things are going with contest entries. As in past contests, predict the anomalies for these nine locations in F deg, I have to wait and see what the NWS plans to do about possible 1991-2020 averages coming into play, they may not be used in 2021. If anyone knows, post the info. DCA __ NYC __ BOS ____ ORD __ ATL __ IAH ____ DEN __ PHX __ SEA Check the December thread for updates on contest results for 2020. Happy new year, let's hope it's an improvement over the one fading out. (Roger over and out)

When the front comes through around midnight or 0100h, TRW+ 60/59 followed by about a half hour of rain showers turning to ice pellet showers then snow, each lasting a few minutes, temps within an hour or two 30 deg, falling further to 20 by morning, flash freeze conditions turning untreated side roads into icy disaster areas, clear blue skies by sunrise, snappy cold WNW winds 30G50, wind chills around 8-10 F. No temperature rise on 25th, falling further in the evening to around 10 F.

Always remember, it was 80 degrees at Christmas in 2015 ...

I think something like this happened in 1965 (I was in NJ for Christmas and New Years that year) and then it was close to 70 deg again on New Years eve. Only reason for mentioning the analogy is that you had that memorable snowstorm in late January of 1966. That was on a similar track (NNE) a bit further east than the event being discussed here. That was more or less a mild winter with the one big event.

Confirmed scoring for December 2020 Scoring is based on the latest end of month projections listed in the previous post. ORD raw scores are boosted by "max 60" progression as highest raw scores were 45. Boosted scores have the ^ symbol. Some lower ORD scores are raw scores that were higher than the progression values. FORECASTER _______DCA_NYC_BOS_east__ORD_ATL_IAH_cent_c/e___DEN_PHX_SEA_west __ TOTAL DonSutherland 1 _____ 86 _ 96 _ 88 __ 270 __ 60^_ 76 _ 78 __ 214 _ 484 __ 90 _ 72 _ 84__ 246 ____ 730 hudsonvalley21 ______ 92 _ 98 _ 96 __ 286 __ 42^_ 88 _ 84 __ 214 _ 500 __ 80 _ 66 _ 70 __ 216 ____ 716 ___ Consensus _______ 90 _ 98 _ 90 __ 278 __ 33^_ 86 _ 92 __ 211 _ 489 __ 82 _ 74 _ 44 __ 200 ____ 689 RJay _________________96 _ 94 _ 76 __ 266 __ 30^_ 84 _80 __ 194 _ 460 __ 98 _68 _ 60 __ 226 ____ 686 BKViking _____________94 _ 94 _ 82 __ 270 __ 18^_ 96_100__ 214 _ 484 __ 86 _ 70 _ 28 __ 184 ____ 668 wxallannj ____________ 88 _ 96 _ 78 __ 262 __ 36^_ 70 _ 88 __ 194 _ 456 __ 82 _ 76 _ 54 __ 212 ____ 668 Tom ________________100 _ 92 _ 98 __ 290 __ 12^_ 88 _ 96 __ 196 _ 486 __ 60 _ 90 _ 32 __ 182 ____ 668 RodneyS _____________68 _ 84 _ 92 __ 244 __ 60^_ 84 _ 78 __ 222 _ 466 __ 26 _ 90 _ 34 __ 150 ____ 616 Scotty Lightning _____ 76 _ 76 _ 84 __ 236 __ 24^_ 96 _ 90 __ 210 _ 446 __ 28 _ 88 _ 24 __ 140 ____ 586 Roger Smith _________ 80 _ 84 _ 90 __ 254 __ 48^_ 92 _ 64 __ 204 _ 466 __ 04 _ 38 _ 72 __ 114 ____ 580 ___ Normal __________ 66 _ 66 _ 74 __ 206 __ 08^_ 84 _ 80 __ 172 _ 370 __ 38 _ 92 _ 24 __ 154 ____ 524 wxdude64 ___________ 64 _ 70 _ 78 __ 212 __ 06^_ 66 _ 68 __ 140 _ 344 __ 56 _ 86 _ 14 __ 156 ____ 500 ______________________________________________________ EXTREME FORECAST REPORT _ Dec 2020 This has worked out differently from my previous report, maybe you didn't see that anyway, but as of now, with estimates or final values unlikely to change much, these would be the extreme forecast situations ... DCA, NYC, BOS and IAH did not qualify, our consensus was good at all four locations (BOS high score was third coldest forecast). ORD and SEA go to warmest forecasts, DonS and RodneyS share ORD, and DonS also wins SEA on his way to high score for the month of December, with hudsonvalley21 close behind. PHX (+0.4) is a win by RodneyS and Tom (+0.9), our low forecasts, with Normal also getting a win (higher score than either of those). (contest forecasters cannot take a loss to normal) ATL (+0.8) ends up as a win-loss situation, with Scotty Lightning sharing a win (with BKV +0.6) with second highest forecast (+1.0), Roger Smith a loss with +1.2. DEN also in the same position with RJay (+3.0) taking a win (result is +3.1), my overly ambitious +7.9 goes for a loss. ------------------------------------------- These scores are now finalized, as is the annual report. (Things went a lot faster than I expected because several stations came in at my earlier estimates so they didn't need adjustments). ___________________________________________________ Annual update -- final contest scoring -- will wait for final results here but as I mentioned in the contest announcement post this month, RodneyS had a large enough lead that no forecasts submitted could have gained enough points when compared with his forecasts, and now the results make it appear that the lead will remain about the same. Some movement is likely in the chase pack 2nd to 6th, that will be the main suspense of the final scoring I think.

I guess the long and the short of explaining the phenomenal amounts might be this -- the storm was weak enough to allow undisrupted banding, but strong enough to pump in mid-level moisture from a warmish Atlantic, with orographic uplift factors generally favorable to enhancement in the frontogenic band. Now that they have extended historical weather maps back into the mid-19th century, I've had an opportunity to check out postulated charts vs large storm events in the period when Caswell's Providence journal overlapped the first years of the Toronto observations (after 1840). Now obviously some of those maps are fairly tentative and based on insufficient data. But it struck me that some fairly heavy snowfall events looked relatively tame and I was reminded of that when this one came along. Tame, but working with the colder air masses (inland especially) of that historical era, and a storm track that more frequently ran along the coast than in modern climate terms. That was quite a cold high for so early in the winter. 20-20 hindsight of course, I was as surprised as anyone to hear the actual numbers from BGM, ALB and VT-NH. There's also an energy peak in the background, mark down Jan 1-3 and Jan 14-16, this peak will occur again, depending on the shape of the upper level flow steering patterns somebody may get a repeat performance (it may be in a different part of the country though).

(will edit if later data change this total) ... 10.5" two-day total at NYC Central Park appears to be the 14th largest December two-day total in 152 years of records (since 1869). Scanning a data base that I have developed with much assistance from Don Sutherland, these two-day storms (assuming they were all overnight or one-day one-storm totals, maybe one or two are not but anyway) had more than 6 inches in December (search included any that began or ended in December only using 1st or 31st, but no examples found -- there was 9" on Jan 1st 1869 with no data for 1868 so that would qualify if any measurable snow fell on Dec 31 1868). I have listed the two-day totals in order of magnitude. I have also listed any events that had a heavier two-day total than 5.8" (all are shown, even if neither day is over 6 inches which is where I stopped ranking single days, so this is also a list of the top 36 2-day snow events as well as the top 30 daily amounts, two of which belong to the second listed event). The two-day event in 1904 could be listed as a one-day 7.0" total in some data sets (the division of these various events mostly between 1895 and 1912 are more consistent with the reported daily precip amounts). If so that would move any values under 7.0" to one lower rank position ( higher rank number for those already in the 20s). Rank __ Date(s) _________ TOTAL (2d amts) ____ Rank (Dec only) of heavier daily amount (if in Dec) 1. __ Dec 26-27 1947 ____ 26.4 (26.1+0.3) ______ 1st 2. __ Dec 26-27 2010 ____ 20.0 (12.2+7.8) ______ 6th (and 17th) 3. __ Dec 26 (1d) 1872 __ 18.0 (one day) _______ 2nd 4. __ Dec 20-21 1948 ____ 16.0 (15.8 +0.2) _____ 3rd 5. __ Dec 11-12 1960 ____ 15.2 (3.6+12.6) ______ 5th 6. __ Dec 5-6 2003 _______14.0 (6.0+8.0) ______ t13th 7. __ Dec 21-22 1959 ____ 13.7 (3.4+10.3) ______10th 8. __ Dec 15 1916 _______12.7 (one day) ________4th 9. __ Dec 24-25 1883 ___ 12.3 (7.3+5.0) ________ 19th 10. __ Dec 30 (1d) 2000 __ 12.0 (one day) _______ 7th 11. __ Dec 24 (1d) 1912 __ 11.4 (one day) _______ 8th 12. __ Dec 26 (1d) 1933 __ 11.2 (one day) _______ 9th 13. __ Dec 19-20 2009 ___ 10.9 (9.1+1.8) _______ 12th 14. __ Dec 16-17 2020 ___10.5 (6.5 + 4.0) ______ t27th 15. __ Dec 20 (1d) 1874 __ 10.0 (one day) ______ 11th 16. __ Dec 13-14 1917 ____9.5 (8.0+1.5) _______ t13th 17. __ Dec 19-20 1945 ____ 8.3 (8.0+0.3) _______t13th t18. __ Dec 25-26 1909 ___ 8.0 (7.0+1.0) _______t20th t18. __ Dec 3-4 1957 _____ 8.0 (0.5+7.5) _______ 18th 20. __ Dec 5 (1d) 1926 ___ 7.9 (one day) _______16th 21. __ Dec 19-20 1995 ____7.7 (5.5+2.2) _______ -- -- t22. __ Dec 17-18 1932 ___ 7.2 (6.7+0.5) _______t24th t22. __ Dec 27-28 1990 ___ 7.2 (0.6+6.6) ______ 26th 24. __ Dec 24-25 1966 ____7.1 (6.7+0.4) _______t24th t25. __ Dec 12-13 1904 ___7.0 (4.2+2.8) ________ -- -- (could show up as 7.0 12th or 13th one-day in some data) t25. __ Dec 26 (1d) 1890 _ 7.0 (one day) _______t20th t25. __ Dec 4 (1d) 1911 ___ 7.0 (one day) ______t20th t25. __ Dec 15-16 1896 ___ 7.0 (0.2+6.8) ______ 23rd (daily record listed as 7.0 for 16th but 2d total actually, the 6.8 still beats 2020 though) 29. __ Dec 23-24 1963 ____ 6.6 (6.0+0.6) ______t29th 30. __ Dec 25 (1d) 1902 __ 6.5 (one day) ______ t27th 31. __ Dec 25-26 1969 ____ 6.3 (2.1+4.2) ______ -- -- 32. __ Dec 23-24 1961 ____ 6.2 (2.8+3.4) ______ -- -- 33. __ Dec 5 (1d) 2002 ____ 6.0 (one day) _____t29th 34. __ Dec 22-23 1896 ____ 6.0 (2.7+3.3) ______ -- -- (same note as 1904 above except 6.0" one day) t35 __ (hon mention 5.8" on 14th 2003 and 9th 2005) __________________________________________________ once again, thanks to Don Sutherland for providing me with the data base and supplementary info for some 1890s to 1912 era two-day breakdowns. any errors would be in my analysis, have checked these over for years and amounts though. Noting that half of these events occurred between 21st and 27th of December. On that note, merry Christmas.

The 40" event around BGM and 30" generally from there to central NH could pay some dividends for your region eventually. That snow pack is going to be there until there's two weeks of thaw (maybe late Feb to Mar) so any time good synoptics show up, any arctic highs ahead of snowfalls should be beefed up over the inland northeast. From this GFS run, would tag the period Jan 3-5 as promising, there's deep winter cold showing up for several days before that and a strong low diving southeast into the plains states at end of the run (Jan 2). Would have to suspect that might recurve around the Carolinas into a powerful nor'easter. The Christmas Day event looks at this point like a flash freeze, near 60 on the 24th, near 20 on the 25th. Probably a region wide dusting from that, 1-3" max potential. Will be more interesting for the temperature drop.

Oscillating bands of snow, sleet and rain, with the sleet band most frequently aligned from northwest suburbs of PHL to central DC. Results in numerical terms will probably be something like this: Location ______ Precip ____ Snow PHL ___________ 0.75 _____ 2.0 BWI ___________ 1.25 _____ 2.5 DCA ___________ 0.80 _____ 1.9 IAD ____________ 1.35 _____ 6.0 GAI ____________ 1.40 _____ 8.0 FDK ____________ 1.50 ____11.0 HGR ___________ 1.50 ____ 12.5 ne MD (???) ____ 1.80 ____ 5.5 (heavy icing) CXY MDT _______ 1.40 ___ 16.5 Would expect the best snowfalls in marginal areas to be overnight (16-17) as the slight diurnal ranges will play a role in where bands set up. Obviously a lot of uncertainty with more bust potential on high side of these snowfall numbers. This is where work from home is going to look really good, that impact on evening commute does not apply to the walk from kitchen to den or does it?

I didn't know there were cliques, I just thought maybe it was a regional tradition to have really pointed squabbles in public, threaten to leave, then reconcile and go into it all over again the next time snow appeared in a forecast. Where I live, we are more or less resigned to our fate (non stop snow until March). In the case of this particular event I don't think there would be enough people interested to bother with a thread, now if the later model runs put your major population centres into the heavy snow zone, different ball game.

Thanks, I wonder why the Chinese state meteorological agency doesn't post maps of that sort? Hardly seems like a national secret. Except for Manchuria and higher parts of the western mountains, most of China seems to see very little snow most years.

Yep, sorry for cluttering up the thread ... would prefer if a more locally based poster started contest (or any other) threads, I did it with the summer heat one but really I am more of a guest than a host around here.

That's 2.2" snow crushed under heavy sleet, maybe it all goes for more than 2.2" -- revise to 2.5" separate thread? if somebody more locally based thinks it's a good idea, will defer to that ... don't know if more than a handful would want to venture a guess on this slopfest. 8-16 further north though, Harrisburg PA inaccessible to outside world (probably a good thing).

You're in the hunt for DCA though. Until Thursday at least.

Contest within a contest? BWI 2.2 DCA 1.9 IAD 6.1 RIC Tr (16th-17th)

Tracking anomalies and projections for December ... ______________________ DCA _ NYC _ BOS __ ORD _ ATL _ IAH ___ DEN _ PHX _ SEA 11th ___ (10d anom) _ --0.2 _--0.3 _+0.2 ___ +6.0 _--2.4 _--2.1 ___ +8.9 _+2.2 _+4.4 21st ___ (20d anom) _ +0.6 _--0.1 _ --0.9 ___ +5.8 _+0.3 _--1.7 ___+2.0 _+0.2 _+4.9 11th ___ (p20d anom)_ --1.5 _--1.5 _--1.5 ___ +2.0 _--1.5 _--1.5 ___ +3.0 __0.0 _+1.0 11th ___ (p26d anom) _ --2.5 _--2.5 _--2.5 ___ 0.0 _ --2.0 _ --2.0 ___ 0.0 __ -1.0 _ 0.0 21st ___ (p31d anom) _ 0.0 __ 0.0 __--1.0 ___+3.0__ 0.0 _ --1.0 ___ +1.0 _+0.5 _+3.0 31st-1st __ finals ______+1.7_ +1.7_ +1.3 ___+5.1 _+0.8 _ +1.0 ____+3.1 _+0.4_+3.8 _____________________________________ (11th) _ The month started out rather cool in the east and quite warm in the west. These trends are reversing briefly, then much colder air is expected to arrive in a few days and persist with a few variations most of the rest of the month. Anomalies seem likely to fall towards negative values where not already there. (21st) _ Not quite as cold middle third as expected so anomalies have levelled off a bit higher than forecast. A further change applies to the original p26th as now the days 22nd-24th are looking quite mild in the east. The end of month anomalies will likely not be far from zero at several stations so I set them there, small to medium positives should be retained at ORD, DEN, PHX and SEA. As always DEN will be bouncing up and down with the passage of a strong low (now dumping snow at my place) tomorrow night, a few days of -15 type anomalies to follow a few near +10, then levelling off near normal end of month. Not warm enough to save my overly ambitious call. Provisional scoring to follow ... (31st - 1st Jan 2021) _ slowly but surely assembling the final results, my pace might be a bit more leisurely given the context but would expect to have December scored by noon to 2 p.m. NYD, then on to the final annual results, which as I mentioned in the thread subtitle, looks like a wide open free-for-all as far as 2nd to 5th places go, RodneyS has no doubt locked up the annual contest win, congrats to him. Posting final anomalies and estimates of them where not complete, scoring table will eventually conform to them but at any given moment it may not be updated from the earlier provisionals posted. (as of 0615 EST, all anomalies now final). (BOS having some issues, they posted their Dec CF6 with 31st missing, but that climate report is available, temps look sensible, 90.0" of snow likely some kind of bizarre system failure or the guy from Vermont dumped his load at Logan airport, not sure which).

Oh okay, I thought it might have been closer to average because with all that cold air around where I was (northeast of Toronto, we had a week where it never got above zero F) I figured the storm track must have been quite a bit to the south, I suppose it was just bad timing with the jet stream depressed but no energy. So maybe it will work out somewhat similar but with better timed energy. I do think the analogue will work out on a large scale but details like timing of energy can make a fairly substantial difference in a few places. Where I was, there was never all that much snow on the ground, wrong lake effect wind pattern (mostly NW, we did better with WNW) but some placed got absolutely buried in lake effect snow, for example, London ON. They had to go around and mark the positions of fire hydrants with 15 ft poles so the snowplows wouldn't shear them off. And all that was completely gone in about a week when it turned warm in mid to late February.

Here's my speculation ... not much will happen in December, until possibly late in the month, January will be quite variable and will bring one or two decent winter storm scenarios, February will continue that trend for about the first half then turn very warm, March will be a warmish month too, perhaps one late snowfall event even into early April. Overall, a fairly average winter but some good spells for winter enthusiasts, some not so great. Persistent west coast ridge development can be expected, downstream from that, two different patterns may oscillate, one would be highly amped flow favoring inland storm track and mild temperatures in your region, the other would be a broad trough with the polar vortex dropping into Hudson Bay and Quebec, possible snowfall events might come then as storm track would be something like the current event only with more cold air around in mid-winter. Best analogue would be 1975-76. Did you get much snow that winter? I was living in Ontario then, we had a lot of lake effect and some transient low pressure snowfalls and an early end to winter with record highs around Feb 25 to 29. The March 1976 storm track must have been through PA and NY because we had very heavy mixed falls for a few days, sleet and ice pellets, it all turned to rain and there was a severe flood when the heavy winter snow pack melted. From what I recall there were not a lot of coastal lows that winter.

18z GFS and 12z 72-84h GGEM each say flurries, out to sea with no significant northern stream development. Time for improvements to show up though, at least there is some upper support for potential 1-2" snowmaker. 18z GFS finishes run with 10-15" storm on 20th, wonder what reality will bring on that time scale? Personally I think this will be a fairly decent winter compared to some recent busts, eventually one or two significant events, with a strong signal for persistent west coast ridge development the odds favor some good winter scenarios for the eastern U.S.

Thread title needs an edit (Friday and Saturday would be Dec 4-5). This disturbance in the Gulf coast region came through my part of the world on Monday and we got about 2" of powder snow from it then. The speed with which the upper level energy then raced into the Gulf of Mexico was impressive. Whether anything else about it will be impressive remains to be seen, I agree with this cautious approach. Looks very prone to mixing, RGEM freezing line is not in a particularly good spot either at 48h.

I dropped into the forum to check that in fact NOV 2020 was warmest on record at NYC. I have a research thread on another weather forum (net-weather in the UK) outlining my research into climate records for Toronto (1840-2020) and more recently with a lot of assistance from Don Sutherland, added in comparative data for New York City. That part is all on page 2 of this thread (all Toronto stuff on page 1) ... https://www.netweather.tv/forum/topic/93113-toronto-180-a-north-american-data-base-of-180-years/#comments I have compared rankings of all months that overlap since 1869 and you'll find that in general there is close agreement. This past November didn't quite make it to top of the list for Toronto, 1975 held on and 2011, 2016 and 1931 were not passed either. As part of this research I have applied urban heat island filters to the temperature records of both sets of data. NYC is in an even larger city of course but urban heat islands don't grow much stronger after a city reaches a critical size, they grow in areal extent instead. So I've applied the same decade by decade changes to both data sets with the assumption that New York City had a small urban heat island at the start of its records, Toronto only began to acquire one after 1881. So although I've changed the temperature data sets by similar amounts per decade, I assume NYC has a larger urban heat island by 0.3 to 0.5 C (0.5 to 0.9 F) deg. That is an average of all weather conditions and of course the urban effect is much bigger than that in calm, clear weather. The total adjustment for the Toronto data was 1.1 C (2.0 F) deg applied in full to the years since 1980, with 0.1 reductions in the filter each decade before that, until one reaches "no urbanization" before 1881 (there may have been a small amount). Applied to NYC that means 1869 to 1880 would be a step down also but there could have been further steps down in any data before 1869 in stages so the NYC total urban heat island is presumed to be around 1.5 C (2.7 F) averaged over all data. This applies mostly to overnight temperatures and this is reflected in the count of new record high max and min temps since 1970 (have done the same study at both sites, the counts are similar, around 15% more than random expectation for record high maxima, and 120% more for record high minima.) At Toronto, 218 days have a new record high minimum since 1970, only 108 have a new record high maximum. About 10 have a new record low minimum and 25 a new record low maximum again showing the diurnal bias of the u.h.i. effect. You'll find in this link tables of rankings for raw temperature data and adjusted. It does give the more ancient data some chance to make an upward move in the rankings but seldom do the "way back" months push more than five to ten ranks ahead and usually not into the top ten. (Years in the middle decades get smaller boosts, and the boosts ended in 1980, assuming almost steady-state u.h.i. since then). There was a remarkably hot July in 1868 at Toronto, unfortunately that's the year before the NYC data begin, maybe some other source would show this, but one or two very hot summer months at Toronto were surprisingly cool at NYC, for example July 1916 and 1921 both top ten months at Toronto, rather average to cool at NYC. Many other cases though have more similar outcomes at both locations. There's a circulation type with a narrow ridge over the western Great Lakes and an offshore trough in the Atlantic that can result in that differential. Even so, just about all the record highs at each location are either the same dates, or within 1-2 days, or do no worse than fall into top five, so generally similar results. I think you have to get into the Midwest before you start seeing a whole different set of record highs and lows, certainly by the time you reach the central plains that would be true. I regularly update these tables and will probably put the same thread into some part of American Weather (not sure where is best suited) when I finish the project of creating an excel file with all data available. That is very close to completion (I am entering or proofing existing entries for 2019 today and 2020 tomorrow) but it would make sense to wait for 2020 to end then have this year complete as well. Eventually I will publish similar precip tables for NYC as I have done for Toronto. Once again Don S has been very helpful and I have all the raw data available, going through it to establish daily extremes and other useful info such as dry spells. The Toronto climate is more similar to NYC in temperature than precip, a dry month in each region may be closer to average or even a bit wetter than average that far afield. Snowfall does not correlate very well either, east coast storms miss Toronto on many occasions and Toronto snowstorms are often Apps runners or low-trajectory Colorado lows that warm up NYC. But some storms overlap. I am expecting a bit of a wild ride this winter, as many are saying, generally on the milder side of normal, but not a constant blowtorch situation and a few much colder intervals likely, mid to late January would be the most likely time.

Update on Four Seasons contest -- Final Results This contest tracks your seasonal performances. Ten points are awarded to top total score in each season, then 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2 points for 2nd-7th, and 1 point for anyone else who enters all three contests. This table shows the points awarded in the winter, spring and summer segments, followed by total points for the three autumn months (Sept, Oct, Nov) then the contest points generated. The table order is total points for the contest. FORECASTER __________ Winter, spring, summer pts __ Autumn totals __ Autumn pts ___ TOTAL POINTS RodneyS ____________________ 10 _____ 6 _____ 4 _______ 1844 ____________10 ____________ 30 BKViking _____________________ 6 _____ 2_____ 7 _______ 1827 _____________ 7 ____________ 22 DonSutherland 1 ______________5 ____ 10 _____ 2 _______ 1698 ____________ 4 ____________ 21 RJay _________________________ 1 _____ 5_____10 _______ 1725 ____________ 5 _____________21 hudsonvalley21 _______________4 _____ 7 _____ 6 _______ 1693 _____________3 ____________ 20 ______ Consensus ____________ 5 _____ 5 _____ 6 _______ 1706 _____________ 4 ____________ 20 wxallannj _____________________7 _____ 3 _____ 3 _______ 1645 _____________2 ____________ 15 Tom __________________________3 _____ 4_____ 5 _______ 1635 _____________ 1 ____________ 13 Roger Smith __________________ 1 ______1 ____ 1 _______ 1761 _____________ 6 _____________ 9 Scotty Lightning ______________ 2 _____ 1_____ 1 _______ 1556 _____________ 1 _____________ 5 wxdude64 ____________________ 1 _____ 1_____ 1 _______ 1549 _____________ 1 _____________ 4 _________ Normal _____________ 1 ______ 1 ____ 1 _______ 1379 _____________ 1 _____________ 4 Brian5671 ____________________ 1 ______1 ____ 1 _______ ------ ______________ -- ______________3 Jakkelwx _____________________-- ______ -- ____ 1 _______ (710) ____________ 1 ______________ 2 _________________________________________________________ (note Jakkelwx only entered one of three contests, other part time entrants not scored but he played all three in summer to earn a point there so I added a point for partial scoring). Congrats to RodneyS for winning the Four Seasons portion of the annual contest ... BKViking made a move to reach second place, three more all from NYC are closely bunched in tie for 3rd (Don Sutherland 1 and RJay then hudsonvalley21 in 5th).

Winter Snowfall contest 2020-2021 -- Table of entries Any other entries welcome, deadline Dec 3 midnight (edits accepted also -- forecast includes any already measured to spring end of season) (DEN to date 10.0" ORD 0.7" DTW 3.5" BUF 0.8" and BTV 2.7" ) at end of Nov ... updated totals will appear in the table of forecasts below. FORECASTER ______ DCA _ NYC _ BOS __ ORD _ DTW _ BUF __ DEN _ SEA _ BTV snowfall to Dec 17 ___ Tr __ 10.5 _ 17.3 ___ 0.7 __ 9.2 __ 9.6 ___ 15.1 __ 0.0 __ 8.5 wxallannj __________ 21.0 _ 29.0 _ 37.0 __ 43.0 _ 47.0 _ 70.0 __ 51.0 __ 5.2 _ 77.0 Tom _______________ 18.1 _ 29.8 _ 42.5 __ 43.3 _ 44.1 _102.5__ 59.6 __ 4.2 _ 78.3 hudsonvalley21 ____ 16.3 _ 30.4 _ 44.5 __ 39.7 _ 48.2 _ 87.9 __ 61.1 __ 6.8 _ 83.2 Scotty Lightning ____15.0 _ 25.0 _ 40.0 __ 50.0 _ 40.0 _125.0__ 75.0 __ 3.0 _ 90.0 Roger Smith _______ 14.5 _ 28.2 _ 60.5 __ 35.5 _ 39.9 _ 80.5 __ 55.5 _ 12.5 _ 90.5 wxdude64 _________ 13.2 _ 29.7 _ 45.9 __ 41.7 _ 44.2 _ 97.7 __ 73.2 __ 7.1 _ 84.1 RJay ________________8.0 _ 20.0 _ 35.0 __ 40.0 _ 40.0 _ 75.0 __ 65.0 __ 4.0 _ 65.0 Don Sutherland1 ____ 6.0 _ 11.5 _ 28.0 __ 38.5 _ 44.0 _ 87.0 __ 57.5 __ 3.4 _ 72.9 RodneyS ____________ 4.4 __ 8.5 _ 20.0 __ 31.6 _ 38.0 _ 78.9 __ 55.5 __ 5.1 _ 66.6 __ consensus _______14.5 _ 28.2 _ 40.0 __ 40.0 _ 44.1 _ 87.0 __ 59.6 __ 5.1 _ 78.3 _________________________________________________________________________ Table of forecasts for December 2020 FORECASTER ________ DCA _ NYC _ BOS __ ORD _ ATL _ IAH ___ DEN _ PHX _ SEA Roger Smith _________ +2.7 _ +2.5 _ +1.8 __ +1.9 _ +1.2 _ +2.8 ___ +7.9 _ +3.5 _ +2.4 BKViking _____________+2.0 _ +2.0 _ +2.2 __ +0.2 _ +0.6 _ +1.0 ___ +2.4 _ +1.9 _ +0.2 Tom _________________ +1.7 _ +1.3 _ +1.4 __ --0.1 _ +0.2 _ +0.8 ___ +1.1 _ +0.9 _ +0.4 RJay _________________+1.5 _ +2.0 _ +2.5 __ +1.0 __ 0.0 __ 0.0 ___ +3.0 _ +2.0 _ +1.8 hudsonvalley21 ______+1.3 _ +1.6 _ +1.5 __ +1.8 _ +0.2 _ +0.2 ___ +2.1 _ +2.1 _ +2.3 ___ Consensus _______+1.2 _ +1.6 _ +1.8 __ +1.1 _ +0.1 _ +0.6 ___ +2.2 _ +1.7 _ +1.0 wxallannj ____________ +1.1 _ +1.9 _ +2.4 __ +1.2 _ --0.7 _ +0.4 ___ +2.2 _ +1.6 _ +1.5 DonSutherland 1 _____+1.0 _ +1.5 _ +1.9 __ +2.3 _ --0.4 _ --0.1 ___ +2.6 _ +1.8 _ +3.0 Scotty Lightning _____ +0.5 _ +0.5 _ +0.5 __ +0.5 _ +1.0 _ +1.5 ___ --0.5 _ +1.0 __ 0.0 RodneyS _____________+0.1 _ +0.9 _ +1.7 __ +2.3 __ 0.0 _ +2.1 ___ --0.6 _ +0.9 _ +0.5 ___ Normal ____________ 0.0 __ 0.0 __ 0.0 ____ 0.0 __ 0.0 __ 0.0 ____ 0.0 __ 0.0 __ 0.0 wxdude64 ____________--0.1 _ +0.2 _ +0.2 __ --0.5 _ --0.9 _ --0.6 ___ +0.8 _ +1.1 _ --0.3 ______________________________________________________ Coldest forecasts in blue, Normal is coldest for NYC, BOS, PHX. Warmest forecasts in red, a check of the extreme forecast summary (Nov thread) shows that about half of our warmest forecasts also score highest (one tenth of coldest forecasts do so). Counting the losses in that table tells me that one tenth of second highest forecasts also score highest, so going high in general is 60% likely to produce a good score. Timing is everything though.

Good, I won't need to look at the old penalty time clock in this ultimate month of the contest ... snowfall contests duly noted here or over there in NOV, will get a table together for those soon. Could see some wild swings in temperature this month, I feel, generally mild but a few very cold days. +2.7 _ +2.5 _ +1.8 _ +1.9 _ +1.2 _ +2.8 _ +7.9 _ +3.5 _ +2.4 Good luck (I think the big battle is for second looking at these forecasts, nobody has enough differential on RodneyS to come anywhere near scoring 400 extra points which is what would be needed).