michsnowfreak

He does in the warm season lol. This is obviously not a normal winter here.

I call bs on this. It's funny that GHDI still did manage to drop 6-10 inches on the area (including TSSN), but due to the fact we dryslotted and didn't get 12 to 18 inches, it's still mentioned by some 13 years and tons of heavy snowfall records later almost like it was like that storm the East Coast had a few decades ago where they were forecast 3 feet and got 0. But I feel it's those same people that try to minimize GHDII. it was not a storm of light to moderate snow here with half an inch an hour rates at its peak. While it did start and end with rather steady though not heavy snow, the core of the day had very heavy snowfall. Of the almost 17" that I had, 9.5" fell from 12pm-9pm (included DTW obs from 12-9pm which include some intrahour). There was plenty of drifting too.

February 2015 does not get it's fair due, most likely because it followed the historic 2013-14 winter. It was the coldest February on record in many spots in this region, and second place in others only to 1875. And the deep snow didn't even have its chance in the spotlight because it was second to 2014. But had that month occurred in a world where 2013-14 didn't exist, we would be remembering it for its nonstop deep snow. As I mentioned, 2 Februarys in a row where Detroit saw a wall to wall double-digit inch snowdepth. It had never come close to happening before, and boom. Now it happened 2 years in a row. While some in the general public do still remember 2013-14 (its hard not to), you'll hear almost nobody recall 2015 other than a weather weenie. The general public is too busy remembering winters of their childhood with snow to the rooftops...that never happened.

It's been beyond bizarre. A 2 week blitz of hardcore winter in January, then almost nothing else but a few brief shots. A friend of mine who does plowing & salting (Detroit area) has had 30 billables so far this season (no idea what exactly that means lol), with 25 of the 30 coming in that 2 week stretch in January.

Thanks for clarifying.

I see no signs of a Morch lol.

People reacting to blue skies and sunshine here is like they just saw a ufo. Missing the brunt of the mild air to our west, but after a 23° start temperatures have rapidly warmed to the low 40s. Only dirty plowed piles of snow remain.

It's been wild for sure. January here started and ended in a London fog while being an arctic winter wonderland during the heart of the month.

One of the crazy things to me is that Detroit just saw the wettest January on record with 5.25" of precip (including 17.0" snow). El Nino's typically have dryness centered around the Lakes. I'm very curious to see how the turn towards cold in mid february and beyond behaves from a precip/snow standpoint.

LOL. 1889-90 is probably the warmest winter this region as a whole has seen, but lets discount it. BTW, KYIP ran warmer than DTW when there was a temp sensor issue, which has been fixed.

Dec 1877 had 1.9" snow but 1.6" of it fell on Dec 1st. The other 0.3" fell on the 6th. Funny thing about 1877...it had two unusually snowless winter months. In Feb 1877, only 0.04" precip (driest Feb on record) and 0.2" snow fell. Unlike the mild winter of 1877-78, however, the winter of 1876-77 was very cold in Dec/Jan then a crazy swing to torch in Feb. Its no surprise that acknowledging warm winters that occurred in the old days does NOT sit well with TCC, and he has posted 1800s coop data to discount the official data, where often times a coop was usually a farmer that would record temps 2 or 3 times a day, as most didnt have a max/min thermometer. Coop data is full of errors today, I can only imagine its accuracy 140 years ago . I guess the golden rule is use all cold/snowy data from the old days but discount the warm/snowless . No one here denies a gradual climate warming overtime, but the stretches he takes to discount any old warm winters/hot summers, or downplay any current cold snaps, cold/snowy stretches is really over the top. There is PLENTY of documentation about the warm winters of 1877-78, 1879-80, 1881-82, 1889-90. And locally, 1881-82 & 1889-90 were extraordinarily free of snow. I have attached an article from the December 26, 1889 Detroit Free Press discussing the weather, but also take a look at the rankings of those 4 winters. They all rank very high on everyones list. Rankings of those winters in terms of warmest: DETROIT (since 1870) 1.) 1881-82 3.) 1889-90 11.) 1879-80 15.) 1877-78 TOLEDO (since 1873) 1.) 1889-90 2.) 1879-80 4.) 1881-82 7.) 1877-78 CLEVELAND (since 1870) 2.) 1889-90 6.) 1879-80 14.) 1877-78 17.) 1881-82 CHICAGO (since 1872) 1.) 1877-78 3.) 1879-80 4.) 1881-82 5.) 1889-90 LANSING (since 1863) 1.) 1889-90 7.) 1879-80 12.) 1881-82 15.) 1877-78 INDIANAPOLIS (since 1871) 1.) 1889-90 3.) 1879-80 4.) 1877-78 6.) 1881-82

Its actually incredible to think that we had two Februaries in a row (2014 & 2015) with wall to wall double digit inch snow depth here.

Super Bowl 2006 dropped 3.6 inches here, but just 2 inches at DTW. Several days in advance much heavier snow is forecast. 2015 on the other hand, as posted above, was awesome. It was probably the most widespread storm to drop more than a foot of snow over all of Southeast Michigan in decades (jackpot was this area).

If you truly don't recall GHDII, Feb 1-2, 2015, SMH lol. It was a fantastic storm and the 16.7" of snow at DTW made it the largest storm since 1974. It's my favorite storm. It's easy to get lost in the shadow of the 2013-14 winter, but the 2015 storm was incredible.

Definite zzzs to start the month. Snow has melted but the ground undoubtedly use some drying out. Pattern change towards Valentines, 2nd half of the month gonna be rockin'

As said, it was the wettest January on record for Detroit, pretty much unheard of for a strong Nino. 01.) 5.25” – 2024 02.) 5.02” – 1932 03.) 4.96” – 1874 04.) 4.38” – 1950 05.) 4.31” – 1916 The 17.0" of snowfall didnt make the top 20 (this ranks as 27th snowiest), but definitely a win considering the nationwide pattern. Skycover averaged 9.1/10, a powerball-special cloudy month. This is reflected in temps as well. The mean temp of 27.5F is +1.7F, but the breakdown was high 32.2F (-0.1F) and low 22.8F (+3.6F). The spread of max/min was 44F/-3F. PRELIMINARY LOCAL CLIMATOLOGICAL DATA (WS FORM: F-6) STATION: DETROIT MI MONTH: JANUARY YEAR: 2024 LATITUDE: 42 13 N LONGITUDE: 83 20 W TEMPERATURE IN F: :PCPN: SNOW: WIND :SUNSHINE: SKY :PK WND ================================================================================ 1 2 3 4 5 6A 6B 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 12Z AVG MX 2MIN DY MAX MIN AVG DEP HDD CDD WTR SNW DPTH SPD SPD DIR MIN PSBL S-S WX SPD DR ================================================================================ 1 36 31 34 6 31 0 T T 0 9.2 18 20 M M 10 1 27 20 2 33 30 32 5 33 0 0.00 0.0 0 14.0 22 260 M M 10 28 260 3 35 32 34 7 31 0 0.04 0.2 0 8.9 17 360 M M 10 16 24 350 4 32 19 26 -1 39 0 T T T 8.0 18 360 M M 7 25 350 5 32 19 26 -1 39 0 0.00 0.0 0 6.1 14 210 M M 9 17 200 6 37 28 33 6 32 0 0.03 0.2 0 6.9 13 70 M M 10 1 19 70 7 36 30 33 7 32 0 0.06 0.6 T 5.6 13 290 M M 10 1 18 290 8 36 32 34 8 31 0 0.00 0.0 0 7.3 13 160 M M 10 18 18 170 9 44 33 39 13 26 0 0.86 T 0 12.1 33 230 M M 10 1 43 230 10 40 33 37 11 28 0 0.01 T T 16.1 31 240 M M 10 1 41 240 11 37 31 34 8 31 0 0.09 1.5 1 10.3 21 230 M M 10 18 26 240 12 38 30 34 8 31 0 1.04 4.6 0 11.2 29 220 M M 10 128 37 240 13 37 17 27 1 38 0 0.04 0.9 3 24.3 38 230 M M 10 19 52 230 14 17 -2 8 -18 57 0 0.02 0.6 4 20.8 30 240 M M 7 89 39 240 15 9 -3 3 -23 62 0 0.00 0.0 4 12.4 17 230 M M 6 22 230 16 12 3 8 -17 57 0 0.03 0.6 4 14.7 22 240 M M 7 1 28 230 17 18 2 10 -15 55 0 T T 4 17.0 28 230 M M 7 35 230 18 25 18 22 -3 43 0 0.12 2.5 5 8.2 15 220 M M 10 1 20 230 19 23 8 16 -9 49 0 0.11 2.0 6 8.8 21 10 M M 8 19 28 10 20 19 2 11 -14 54 0 T T 7 8.7 22 320 M M 5 29 330 21 25 7 16 -9 49 0 0.01 0.1 6 9.1 22 220 M M 6 27 230 22 33 9 21 -4 44 0 0.05 T 6 11.6 21 220 M M 9 146 26 230 23 34 32 33 8 32 0 0.45 T 5 3.9 9 150 M M 10 126 14 120 24 39 33 36 11 29 0 0.35 0.0 4 1.8 9 40 M M 10 12 11 40 25 40 36 38 13 27 0 0.17 0.0 2 5.8 14 50 M M 10 12 21 40 26 41 32 37 12 28 0 1.07 0.0 T 4.9 16 30 M M 10 12 25 30 27 41 35 38 13 27 0 0.01 0.0 T 4.6 13 40 M M 10 18 18 50 28 39 33 36 11 29 0 0.41 0.8 0 12.4 22 20 M M 10 1 32 20 29 37 32 35 10 30 0 T T 0 8.6 20 200 M M 10 23 200 30 34 31 33 8 32 0 0.28 2.4 0 7.3 17 200 M M 10 12 24 220 31 39 33 36 11 29 0 0.00 0.0 2 8.4 23 230 M M 10 1 30 240 ================================================================================ SM 998 706 1155 0 5.25 17.0 309.0 M 281 ================================================================================ AV 32.2 22.8 10.0 FASTST M M 9 MAX(MPH) MISC ----> 38 230 52 230 ================================================================================ NOTES: # LAST OF SEVERAL OCCURRENCES COLUMN 17 PEAK WIND IN M.P.H. PRELIMINARY LOCAL CLIMATOLOGICAL DATA (WS FORM: F-6) , PAGE 2 STATION: DETROIT MI MONTH: JANUARY YEAR: 2024 LATITUDE: 42 13 N LONGITUDE: 83 20 W [TEMPERATURE DATA] [PRECIPITATION DATA] SYMBOLS USED IN COLUMN 16 AVERAGE MONTHLY: 27.5 TOTAL FOR MONTH: 5.25 1 = FOG OR MIST DPTR FM NORMAL: 1.7 DPTR FM NORMAL: 3.02 2 = FOG REDUCING VISIBILITY HIGHEST: 44 ON 9 GRTST 24HR 1.24 ON 25-26 TO 1/4 MILE OR LESS LOWEST: -3 ON 15 3 = THUNDER SNOW, ICE PELLETS, HAIL 4 = ICE PELLETS TOTAL MONTH: 17.0 INCHES 5 = HAIL GRTST 24HR 4.6 ON 12-12 6 = FREEZING RAIN OR DRIZZLE GRTST DEPTH: 7 ON 20 7 = DUSTSTORM OR SANDSTORM:

When did you move? Was a solid snow month in DTW all things considered.

Yes. I always get frustrated that there's a little bit of missing data in the 1870s, because due to that, DTX does not start official snowfall data until 1880. I understand the need for consistency, but there were several good snow storms in the 1870s and also a few snowy AND snow futility records that I feel should be added to the mix.

It's been very active. I'm in a chat with some local weather guys, and January snowfall has ranged from 15.3" in Monroe to 24.4" in Lake Orion (elevation helped in a few slop events). Most of the immediate metro has had 15-20". While there were several powder events during the cold snap, there have also been several snowfalls with very low ratio snow. In the end, I'd estimate about half of the 5.25" has fallen as actual snow.

I'm not saying you're wrong. I just posted what was in the newspaper at the time.

Im wondering if this is similar to 1877-78, where the core of the warmth was centered in MN/the Plains? While it was certainly a mild winter here in 1877-78, it wasnt nearly the magnitude of out there. To date, 1877-78 stands as Detroits 16th warmest winter on record. Other winters of that era of up-and-down winters that rank higher on Detroits warmest list are 1881-82, 1879-80, and 1889-90. The warmth and lack of snow in 1881-82 & 1889-90 is FAR more impressive here than the mild winter of 1877-78 which actually saw slightly above avg snowfall. While December 1877 is Detroits 5th warmest on record, January and February 1878 dont even make the top 20. Meanwhile, there is tons of documentation and stories about how wild Minnesota's Year Without a Winter was in 1877-78, and it appeared even worse in Duluth than Minneapolis. (Duluth was warmer than Detroit in Feb 1878!) And same here. The warmest temp this January at DTW is 44F. Only 29 years of the 151 years on record saw a lower max temp in January.

While that very well may be the case (high grass), there was documentation of dandelions in bloom throughout lower MI in January. This years warm December was following an average November which ended with a cold snap, and was followed by a big cold snap in January. At the time of that picture (mid-Jan 1932), there had been almost no cold to speak of that winter. To this day, Nov 1931 stands as the warmest on record, Dec 1931 the 9th warmest, and Jan 1932 the warmest. There was also a lot of rain the entire time.

It has turned into another London night with fog and slowly melting snow here.

You beat me to it. lol. 1932 was also the warmest January on record. This, combined with constant rain, had dandelions in bloom throughout Jan in MI. Looking at the top 10 wettest Januarys, wet doesnt always mean snowy. 01.) 5.25” – 2024 (snow 17.0”) 02.) 5.02” – 1932 (snow 0.9”) 03.) 4.96” – 1874 (snow 17.9”) 04.) 4.38” – 1950 (snow 9.5”) 05.) 4.31” – 1916 (snow 1.1”) 06.) 4.27” – 1929 (snow 22.1”) 07.) 4.12” – 2020 (snow 9.7”) 08.) 3.95” – 1913 (snow 8.0”) 09.) 3.92” – 1993 (snow 11.0”) 10.) 3.87” – 1907 (snow 12.7”) This picture was published in the January 16, 1932 Detroit Free Press. A woman posed with grass clippings after mowing her grass.

I'll post the f6 after tmrw. Definitely trace days here too, comes with the climo