michsnowfreak

There's a few others. Dmc comes to mind.

Agree. 2010, 2013, 2016, 2017 were good Decembers. 2012 & 2020 were ok.

I've been measuring snow since 1995 and liquid precip since 2000. Regardless of what happens in December (unless we get unforeseen massive amounts of rain and snow), 2022 will be my driest year of record. The last 3 winters have stayed remarkably close to climo for total snow, each of the 3 finishing ever so slightly above average. Our last real snowy Winter would be 2017-18. Our last real low snow winter was 2011-12. We had a real good snowstorm in February 2021 (11") and despite the GHD bust last year we still had 2 6+ storms in Feb). Last 12+ storm Feb 2015.

Deform bands actually often give us better snow than the storm itself in many snowstorms. Today's rainstorm is a great sign for a stormier pattern setting up for Winter. We literally could not buy decent rains at any point during the warm season.

Honestly, there really weren't any downpours at least here. There was one decent one in like August. But it was brief. And no, February 17th was not the anticipated big dog. You're thinking of February 2nd. That 2 day, 2 wave totaled 0.82" precip, 9.2" snow.

Feb 17th was the wettest system of the year (1.29" pcp, 6.6" snow). Rain to hvy sleet to hvy snow. How unusual is that to not have any good summer downpours.

Yeah. 1.7 on the 19th and 0.1 just after midnight on the 20th. I'm ready for a bowling ball, those are my favorite.

Euro weeklies looking pretty cold for December.

Would have been just incredible to see this south Buffalo snow in person. Lucky that 1 of our own lives in the hamburg jackpot zone, we don't have to rely on crappy media stories. Meanwhile here, after days of constant flurries and light snow showers here as the flow annoyingly kept the heaviest squalls to my north, last night's Arctic front brought heavy snow and blowing snow, dropping a quick 1.8". Up to 2.9" on the season. Temperatures dropped to 15° this morning and the powder was crunching as if it was mid-Winter rather than mid-November.

Agree. At that point I would cut my losses for the month, enjoy the Christmas season, and prepare for the annual snowmageddon February while enduring the annual crap December

If there's anything that puts the nail in the coffin on December, it's gotta be the ever so accurate day 13-16 on the op GFS. Sarcasm aside, the models really are struggling. Hoping the goods do come after a mild 1st week of the month as was alluded to by some recently.

Flurries have been falling pretty much constantly the last 2 days, along with a few snow showers. Had a light dusting last night of 0.1" but due to the flow was missing the 1-3 inch accumulations that hit North of Detroit. Like I said in the Buffalo thread, I can't stand missing an inch of snow by a few miles. I'd be on suicide watch for missing a few feet lol

Since you are south of Buffalo, looks like you are in a jackpot. So lucky. Is that where the heaviest was supposed to set up? Not being from the area it's hard to pinpoint exact placement.

It goes with the territory being in a lake belt but it would literally drive me insane. I can't stand when someone 10 miles away gets an inch and I get nothing. Can't imagine missing out on feet.

Larry Cosgrove: Maybe a ten day break from the widespread cold. But a look at the formative ridging around and above the Arctic Circle suggests a return to prolonged, full-latitude cAk (bitter cold) by the end of the first week of December. You would be hard pressed to use the word warm today, except perhaps in southern Florida or coastal California. And truthfully, descriptions of cold weather will be in use through the weekend. But the thumb-projection blocking ridge off of the West Coast will start to break down next Monday and Tuesday, and a period of semizonal flow at 500MB should favor a relatively mild condition from the Mississippi Valley to the West Coast over a November 23 -30 time frame. I hesitate to bring the warmth all the way to the Eastern Seaboard, since a vigorous southern branch storm out of Texas and Oklahoma may out the brakes on moderation by the end of the 6-10 day time frame. That disturbance may not fully stop the warm-up, but I can see two factors that will return the USA and Canada to the icebox as we get past the start of December. A ridge complex now In Scandinavia will begin to retrogress into Greenland (-NAO), linking with a weaker positive 500MB height anomaly over the Arctic Ocean (-AO). That will force a deep storm over the northern Pacific Basin to track eastward along the International Border into the Great Lakes. Remember the rule about cAk vortices: the closer a gyre gets to the lower 48 states, or into the nation, the deeper and more widespread the awful chill will get. If things work out as I expect them too, the period between December 7 and 21 will feature high usage of fuels and other energy sources to keep the people warm in the face of winter. And the moisture-laden southern branch storm track will be heard from as well. Hint hint. Sleep well tonight.

Jealous Harry. Good luck!

I understand concerns about drought. And honestly it's been a long time since we've had a dry year like this, so I guess you could say we were "due" . I always stand by the fact that Winter is a different season. Storm tracks and what not are different. While there's certainly no rhyme or reason, an interesting stat is that 6 of the 7 driest autumns on record were followed by wetter than average winters. But then, of the remaining 13 driest autumns that rounded out the top 20, only 1 additional was a wetter than normal Winter. Fwiw, this autumn will absolutely be on the top 7 driest.

They never updated the map with final totals. But yes. THAT storm was downrivers best in our stretch of great winters. Wyandotte 16.5 DTW 16.7 Brownstown 17.0

What's the discord?

I legit thought about it but I just have too much going on the rest of this week. Also, with the bands always being narrow, how difficult is it to pinpoint where to go? lol Just for future reference.

It was actually tied for 4th latest on record Nov 15, 1946 Nov 15, 1915 Nov 14, 1918 Nov 13, 1916 Nov 13, 2022 The irony of this was: -The low on October 8th rounded to 33, was less than a 1/2 degree from what would have been an earlier than normal first freeze. Avg first freeze Oct 17. -the first snowflakes were earlier than normal on Oct 20 (avg Oct 30) -the first measurable snow was earlier than normal on Nov 13 (avg Nov 17)

So jealous!

I'm sure you did. I'm usually beating my sister in St Clair Shores.

I wonder what Canton got Feb 1, 2015?

Looks like a mild 1st half of December and a cold 2nd half