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Everything posted by nrgjeff
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Plains storm chasers will take an order of that KW and MJO. Don't worry about it @Blue Moon minor scuffles are a part of Internet weather boards. We've had far more positive interactions than otherwise. Do keep posting. I forgot you're relatively new. We include all here.
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Monday and Tuesday the low levels will be veered off; so, the tornado threat is fairly low. 2-5% is reasonable. Don't expect them to raise it. Waste of CAPE I know. However I'd watch for hail. Of course straight line winds are on the table too both days. Honestly though my mind is out in the Plains the following week.
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You are trolling Bro. I’ve a thick skin from work. However I call out Internet trolls, period. Anyone wonder why Meteorologists are leaving the forums in droves? American Wx and Storm Track are bleeding Mets. We are switching to invite only niche Discord servers. However I do still like American Weather, Tennessee Valley best for winter. This is the best sub-form for South winter, and wishing, haha!
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SPC has moved the 15% forward for a Slight Risk on Sunday. I like their use of pattern recognition. ECMWF is more bullish (ENH material). GFS is slop (Marginal verbatim). Sothern stream wave in early May certainly calls for Slight Risk. For those on the forum who get anxious about severe, I'm not at all worried about a big tornado day. Looks like straight wind mostly. However in early May we can't take a few tornadoes off the table.
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Fall/Winter Banter - Football, Basketball, Snowball?
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Chances are the second will be easier. I'm hearing it's one or the other, not both. What brand did you receive? I got Moderna and have been fully vaccinated for a week. First was uneventful, just a sore arm. Second was actually less sore. However I was so sleepy the next day. Still retained moderate energy though. No headache, other than mild I need coffee on a cloudy day. No chills. No fever. No problem! Sleepy but with energy, in my case, is defined as taking a cat nap and then going jogging. -
That mini-sup Wednesday. Something about slight risks, with stationary fronts, in northern Middle Tenn. Fortunately this one did not get out of hand!
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Hey @Blue Moon this is a seasonal thread. ENSO discussions are for the 3-18 month range. We all knew La Nina would fade. Everything is going exactly as we have foreseen. Read more and post less, Sport.
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Spring/Summer 2021 Medium/Long Range Forecast Discussion.
nrgjeff replied to John1122's topic in Tennessee Valley
Second year La Nina usually is not worse than first, and that didn't make a difference last year. Plus if the GLAAM wants to favor positive we get enough rain. No concerns. Believe climate change has significantly altered ENSO signals.- 86 replies
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What? Active pattern tees up.
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Love the MRX write-up. Includes interviews with both MRX and SPC Mets about what was going through their minds forecasting it. Wow! Alabama has a good page too, a joint effort from HSV and BMX. https://04272011-noaa.hub.arcgis.com/ includes video Memoriam for those lost.
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That SREF is a lot more interesting than I expected. Thought the NAM and HRRR are overdone, and they may be. ARWs show potential, but messy, which seems most reasonable. SREF apparently sides with the more bullish suite. Meteorological target: Talladega National Forest. Yeah I'll stay home and arm chair that terrain!
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I'll go warmer than normal. Oh wait normals change. Resurgent La Nina. Blowtorch!
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ECMWF is somewhat on board too. Possible the trough is filling and lifting north at the time, leaving only modest kinematics over the South. We will have instability, but will we have the dynamics? Naturally I wish I was in the Plains for these next 2-3 systems. Soon. Very soon.
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Maybe we can tee up some severe late this week or the weekend (Fri-Sun Apr. 23-25) timing is way up in the air. GFS goes from not finding the system, to sending through two chunks of energy. Some debacles never change. Euro and its Parallel (new Euro on-deck soon) are consistent on severe somewhere in the South; however, tracks are all over the place. Mid South, Deep South, Gulf Coast only, poor timing for Tennessee Valley, ideal timing for Tenn. For those who get anxious, this is still just the jawboning stage. One thing about late April is the Deep South is not so sloppy. Proper timing on a weekend and I go!
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GFS 11-15 day does have a low-amplitude trough come through the South, which is a favored pattern in late April. Huge full-latitude troughs are always over-rated. Particularly by late April, low amplitude can be high impact. I know some members are not fond of severe wx. That far out we're just jawboning. Don't worry about it. Just something for enthusiasts to track. Also regarding Plateau LCL and CIN @PowellVolz those are right and probably as important as the low level wind speed.
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Thursday was an example of Upper Cumberland Plateau yet again. @John1122 very glad you are safe! Did you take that picture? The Great Plains feel! I was unable to get out on Thursday; but, I was wondering if that Upper Plateau effect would spin up something. I would have tried harder to get out if I knew it'd be like that. Seems the elevation improves low level inflow to storms. Plateau is up in the stronger southerly wind those days. I don't see as much of the effect on the Lower Plateau. Perhaps the Upper Plateau is more continuous. Lower Plateau is interrupted by the Sequatchie Valley. NWS has studied the Plateau and found no statistically significant anomaly. I agree overall. Action is usually south and west. However on Marginal days I feel like the Plateau over-performs. Elevation may allow an otherwise meh day to produce up there.
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If we don't get a +TNI we get resurgent La Nina. Sounds like it's either bullish severe, or bullish severe. Trend sure is active both Plains and South.
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Yes the HRRR started keying in on that at the 15Z run. Appears that a north-south line of convergence ran from Corinth, Miss into Tenn. Intersected with outflow boundary. When the HRRR at 15Z matched my conceptual model (March 27 thread) I immediately departed. Had packed car. Memphis buddies met me in Corinth. Then we gave chase. Also in the March 27 thread.
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Love the video @*Flash* and the music too. You never said you chase, woo-hoo! That's the cell we gave up on in the awful terrain near the Tennessee River east of Lexington, Tenn. Here's a shot from a little church just south of the intersections of Hwy 100 and Hwy 22 in Henderson County. South of Lexington. Yellow is possible low contrast reflection. Inflow tail is great but nothing clear besides rain otherwise. Photo by Preston Bradley.
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Followed the Middlefork to just southwest of Lexington tornado, Henderson Co. Tenn. Photo by Preston Bradley. Dr. Dorian Burnette also chased. Unfortunately our view was blocked by trees. This is from just east of Henderson on Hwy 100, looking toward Middlefork a few miles away (which is on little hwy 22). Tornado tracked to big Hwy 22 south of Lexington. Met two Memphis friends and meteorologists in Corinth, Miss. Boundary was trying to percolate there, and eventually lifted into Tenn. We went north on US-45 to Henderston, Tenn. Then we turned east on Hwy 100 which is oriented nicely for an ENE moving supercell. However the trees were just brutal until Hwy 22. Decision point. We could aggressively push north; but, it would be a short show then RFD. Other chasers did get ahead of it and documented the rain wrapped tornado. One side was visible enough to confirm southwest of Lexington, Tenn. Maybe we enjoyed our Arby's for too long in Corinth, lol! We went south on Hwy 22 instead. My thought was a right mover would eventually cross Hwy 100. Never did so we should have chased it longer. However one never knows for sure in the field; and, we will always put safety first. On the way south on Hwy 22 we noticed the Liberty cell had a beautiful base. However everything was over just retched terrain, so we did not give chase. Dropped into Florence, AL to fuel up and part ways. Fortunately the MEM fiends did not kill me for talking them out of the Delta, haha. I had implored the Miss/Bama convergence zone. I enjoyed lightning on the way home to Chatty. Perfect forecast, well-executed chase, even a good road, but no tornado. Despite low-level tree challenge, visibility was actually good for mid-level structure and features. Plus it was good to get out, see friends, feel the wind, and marvel at the sky.
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Storm chase target: Corinth, Miss to the Shoals, Bama with options to hold Huntsville or push Memphis. Outflow favored over rainy warm front Tenn. Question is whether that climo favored convergence zone develops MS/AL border like with more organized systems. This really reminds me more of late season Plains outflow, with a subtle short-wave upstairs and fluctuating LLJ. Less hype ENH, oh yeah! Hodos are excellent low and long high. That's splits, like the 5am special Chattanooga. Right movers make easy chase decisions. Delta is sweet flat clear terrain; however, my luck there is about like KU vs USC. Memphis chase partners want me to go there. Will try Miss/Bama first per Dixie climo. Last post of the day. Everyone stay safe!
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From the outflow boundary south is pretty much high risk material. SPC rightly holds off because overnight and morning trends are required to discern location. Outflow will start Corinth, MS to say Cullman, AL. Approximate I just reference bigger towns. Outflow OFB should lift toward Tennessee, but might not quite get here. Instability will be greatest south of the OFB, with just right EML 800-700 mb temps, promoting discrete cells. Also more WSW wind at 500/200 creates additional turning with height. Warm front is another question precluding high risk Day 2. It's forecast to lift through Tennessee, perhaps well into Kentucky. Zone south of the warm front WF and north of the OFB is the biggest question mark. Do we blob fest like last week? Blobs prevent intense severe weather. NAM has blobs. Do we destabilize as the crazy HRRR forecasts and go supercells? Perhaps something in between like the 12Z ARWs have. One of each ARW version is closer to the NAM and HRRR respectively. Said in between area has SW winds 500/200 mb which is robust, but not WSW nuts. I'm not feeling high risk Tenn. Moderate is enough though. CAVEAT for West and Middle Tennessee. Reaching maximum destabilization (if realized) would tap into incredible surface and deep helicity. So we have questions on placement and size of any potential high risk area. Well I always have questions and like to fade things. Getting more difficult to do so Thursday.
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A broad trough in the south-central US (not the Southeast) with vigorous wave ejecting our way is exactly the comparison case to high end events in the South. We have discussed such a weather pattern in other threads. Key is that 200/500 winds are WSW vs SSW which happens with sloppy teardrops. LLJ then responds to short-wave, maximizing both speed and directional wind shear. Apparently the SPC has faith in the entire warm sector destabilizing between the outflow (MS/AL early) and warm front (Tenn maybe KY). Multiple boundaries are available to enhance low level shear. If morning rain abates somewhat by midday, maximum afternoon destabilization will be realized. In addition to the WF and OFB west-east boundaries, two north-south troughs are forecast. One comes out of Arkansas with the Pac front. Other develops in Mississippi and/or Alabama (maybe up into Tenn) which is common South Climo.
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Thursday will be a regional severe wx outbreak. @CheeselandSkies I think SPC was waiting for American guidance to come toward the ECMWF. It was stubbornly slow this time. Regardless of how we got here, we are at hatched ENH Day 3 now. First thing I noticed with 12Z guidance is that 500/200 mb winds are forecast WSW. Some of the sloppy South days those winds are SSW. From the SW is plenty of turning. From the WSW as forecast offers robust turning with height. No strange 700 mb winds, smooth forecast hodographs. LLJ is still forecast S or SSW, correct for South severe, even on the squirrelly GFS runs. Winds of course strengthen with height too. Warm sector looks a little bigger than last week defined by northward extent of the synoptic warm front. That does not necessarily mean intense severe weather farther north. That'll depend on the outflow boundary situated south of the warm front, and influenced by midday rain. Undisturbed warm sector soundings should have a little EML and lots of instability. Background pattern is there for a severe weather outbreak. Mesoscale details remain up in the air as usual Day 3, including the size of the region impacted.
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Models are consolidated quite a bit today. Ensemble spread is lower. Operational models zig zag less run to run. Looks like a robust warm sector with strong wind fields. Mesoscale details still TBD. Expect a Day 4 outlook Monday morning - valid for Thursday.