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They are selling treasuries. The government will have to pay it back. Interest rates are very low, so it’s actually it’s a good time to borrow, but it’s a lot money. This is how the government ads cash to the money supply. Printing money and paying itself with it is a no go. It will kill the currency and we will be crushed with inflation. That’s when you need a wheel barrow of 100 dollar bills to buy a loaf of bread. Venezuela printed money to pay debt and starved its people to death as a side effect.

Russia gate needs a dirt nap. It’s over. Did the Russian f@#$ with our heads? Why yes they did. They have been doing that since Stalin. Notably financing the anti war movement in the 60s and the global anti nuclear weapons movement in the 70s and 80s. Even green peace got their money. Old fashioned f$ckery. When the kremlin archives were opened in the 90s all this stuff was exposed. Joe McCarthy was an ass but he turned out to be right. More recently, in 2016 they financed pro trump AND pro Clinton rallies on the same day in NYC to stir things up. Their strategy is fomenting civil war in this country, and the plan has met with success at every turn. Sun Tsu would be proud. However, NONE of their other efforts to date has been as successful as Russiagate, which ironically they had nothing to do with. They want us to beat ourselves to death and we are doing it. We are bickering on a weather board about it, in a thread about a virus. Amazing success for them, and we didn’t even need Russia’s help! Now, did Russian pay Trump? No. Did they pay other politicians? YES. The one who trump ran against, and beat. When Clinton approved the sale of nuclear fuel to Russia as Secretary of State, the Clinton foundation got a fat check. 25 million I think? Also, billy (the husband) got $500,000 for a speech in Russia. Yes it all happened. It could be, and appears to me, that Russia has got the entire situation firmly in hand and we do not. I do not wonder why Putin is so popular.

What they want is transparency in government, which they know to be antithetical for communist government. Communism can’t exist without controlling information. China has been self governing for 6000 years and they never once sniffed it. I don’t think China ‘grew’ it in a lab, but they might have been irresponsible at the lab, and then lied about it. The first lie was they said it wasn’t transmittable human to human. The WHO went along with that for some reason, and that’s why they will be broke.

In the world of what-ifs...a NA pattern set up like it is, combined with a warm gulf, if it happened in met winter would set the stage for a bomb somewhere in the MA, probably south of us tho with an NAO as many SDs as strong.

Not even close to accurate my friend.

Crews out around here to work on the downed lines, but Con Ed says this wont be fixed until sometime overnight. Hooked up the generator to keep the fridge and freezer cold. That thing is stocked for the next 3 weeks to stay isolated so the food can’t go bad! winds ripping still.

No power in my area in mid Westchester. Could be localized...didn’t check Con Ed yet. huge tree down on the next block is the likely culprit. definitely warning criteria so whoever said advisory was a dope. If this happened in 2 weeks time it would have worse. Leaves out not out yet.

Ok I give this winter. Solid D+. We had 1 month of snow in the north country at my camp, which wasn’t all that special. At my house in the lower Hudson valley, I don’t think we had 10 inches. Which is 1/4 normal. Was not a total fail, and we have seen worse, but this was a clunker I don’t want to repeat anytime soon. Hopefully we can break out next year. A B winter will feel like an A winter next year. Ps the GFS gets a Z-. Useless. Unplug it.

If this were a fascist nation, we would not be having this particular discussion. Lol. Fascist. Silly. I don’t know from what school one would get a piece paper from that would lead you to believe america was fascist but it should shut down for malpractice. If I had that piece of paper I’d tear it up and get a refund.

Pretty brutal. It’s pork, but we won’t get bills passed without pork, no matter what the national emergency is. I’m from a small town but 200 million is a lot of money. Seems like a bailout to me, so I won’t judge. If corporations don’t get a backstop there won’t be any jobs for people to return to. My wife is a teacher and her pension will go bust. Yes public employees own massive massive pieces of those corporations and without them...they aren’t any public pension systems period. My wife is a huge stakeholder in American corporations.. and she works for the government! If you don’t like corporations it’s easy to resolve....all you have to do is stop buying Nike, iPhones, Fords, band aids, soap, tape, carpet, gas, food, etc. no big deal. Then you are good. You make the necessities yourself like soap, and grow food. An alternative is to get in on it! Go buy a share of Apple for example. Let’s say you like iPhones but the company is too greedy. Well, you get an envelope in the mail each year and you get to vote on who’s on the board! You can decide if they are too greedy. It’s YOUR money. If you don’t like how it goes, sell it and get a Samsung. It’s pretty democratic actually, and amazing you have that right as a shareholder.

I’m talking about a shortage of money, not food. Money is going to dry up quick for a lot of people. We aren’t even out of the first inning and people are out of work. Edit it I see You thought I meant that gas shortages relate to what’s happening. No. I meant that as an example how quickly people lose patience in a crisis, and that one was an inconvenience.

Me neighbor works at Westchester medical center which is huge. They think the virus blew through the hospital staff 2 months ago, but they had no tests.

Well, the economy can’t shut down. People will be broke soon, and they will have to eat, and they will need to get money. During sandy, we had gas shortages in my area, and just within a few days, people were getting aggressive in gas lines. Less than a week. People can turn on each other faster than you think. People will do what they think they have to do, right or wrong. They will do it because the consequences to them are hunger and poverty. To me this is is going to be a game of chicken. People need to eat vs. the virus. Who breaks first? I hope the virus, but if it doesn’t the pain will be unimaginable. And I also think there could be a point where the government can’t keep a lid on people moving and the people demanding a return to normal. Patience will eventually run out on this, also sooner than you think. Weeks not months.

Good plan. You will hate chicken once this clears...

Germans pay for it, just the bill comes in a different envelope. Nothing is free, and Germany has problems I am glad we don’t have.

Welcome to mankind. It’s never been anything but a struggle. Hobbs talked about it.

this is a great thread. One storm I wish I had a chance to see is that lake effect storm out in western NY in November 2016. 60 inches in spots! We all saw the pictures. The threads from that storm were unreal. I love synoptic snows, but you cannot deny 5 feet! even if its fake ;-)

My first encounter with thundersnow - I thought for sure it would be my last and only experience with it. It was in upstate NY, I think around New Years in 2003(?). There was a 2 part storm with rain and ice in round one, and then a 15 inch snowfall when the storm hit the coast, so I am thinking it was a Miller B. I chalked up the thunder and lightening to the rainstorm lifting out and figured its a once in a lifetime deal. Since then, I probably experienced it 3 times, 2006 and 2016 certainly, and one time out snowmobiling in the adirondaks in the middle of the night, probably in 2007. That was WEIRD. My son and I were trying to get back in town before this particular storm got too ugly, but as we came out of the higher terrain the snow turned to rain and sleet and the skies were lighting up. He was 10 and freaking out for all the right reasons - Dark, cold, scary weather and alone! We made it. I don't recall thundersnow in 93 or 96 but there must have been, and I could have chalked it up to any number of other things, like a plow truck or a transforming blowing somewhere.

Was thinking that. Hmm

Yep. The thing had a gulf connection all the way to Maine, too.

(Referring to 93, meant to quote weatherproof) That was a well modeled storm...thinking it was brewing for 4 or 5 days in the media. Unusual for the time.

Forgot about feb 2006. That was the only major storm that winter IIRC. I got 25 in Westchester. Really powdery, and it should be on the top 3 list but... January 96 January 2016 I was upstate for ‘93. From where I was sitting, that was the grandaddy of them all. And I am OK with never seeing anything like it again. 3 feet of snow and 50 MPH wind. The kids won’t understand, but you could pick up a newspaper and read about this storm that was in Georgia on its way north a couple days later. It felt like Godzilla was coming! Nowhere to hide.

I thought the thing right over our heads? (NYC that is). I checked some historical maps - it looks like 2 frames (12 hours), the 850 low was right over NYC before it moved east. Then it looked like it hugged the coast of LI - way too close to draw in the cold. Upstate NY got smoked ala superstorm. The storm whose name I shall not say...

There should be 'worst bust' contest. I imagine it would come down to between March 2001 and '15. At least it snow some in '15. Maybe not everyone was around in 2001 to recall it, but the city went from 20 inches+ forecast to bupkis...all rain. Some people cashed in big in both storms, just not anywhere near where they were supposed to.