TheClimateChanger

Incredible. What impact, if any, does this trend have on your thoughts for the upcoming winter?

I wish we had hurricane and tropical cyclone statistics from the last glacial maximum. It wouldn't surprise if there were years with few, if any, storms, at least in the North Atlantic. I just don't know how high the SSTs were for much of the region. Probably greatly suppressed where storms were capable of forming, how intense they could get, and also the length of the summer.

Certainly a far cry from the original "old-fashioned winter" of 1917-1918, as christened by Charles Franklin Brooks, the founder and first head of the American Meteorological Society, which saw upwards of 17.5" of snow in Wisconsin, 15" in West Virginia and two feet in the Black Hills in the month of October. Not sure how well this bodes for folks hoping for another "old-fashioned" winter this year. Winter of 1917–18 in the United States - Wikipedia For more on the winter of 1917-1918, see this fascinating NY Times article from February 20, 1977: The Winter of 1917–18 Was a Cold One... - The New York Times As an aside, I find it interesting that the temperatures in Trenton were still being taken on a downtown rooftop at least as recently as 1977. We didn't have the snowflake crybullies that we have today - oh, no, the ASOS is too close to the tarmac! Back in the day, they just took the temperature wherever they could, and I bet the readings were more relevant to the conditions where most people lived (i.e., in the cities). Of course, you'll never see any adjustments made for the elevated readings of the past resulting from such substandard exposure/siting.

Fascinating that the earliest snowfall in Columbia, South Carolina was November 9, 1913. That coincides with the White Hurricane of 1913, a fierce, fierce storm that brought FEET of snow and damaging, hurricane force winds to the Great Lakes, including a record-breaking 22 inches at Cleveland, Ohio. Columbia must have gotten some snowflakes mixed in as the southern end of the cold front was passing through. Great Lakes Storm of 1913 - Wikipedia

Good post. I realize this is in regard to the 2014-15 winter, but I think a lot of people here are just getting old and don't realize how old some of these winters are. We are as far removed from 2013-2014, as we were from the winter of 1981-1982 (which UPI reports left an indelible mark on weather history - see link at end) in the winter of 1993-1994. I don't know about you, but in 1993/94, I would've considered 1981/82 to be ancient history. But some of these people would have you believe it was just yesterday. Link: Winter 1982 rewrites weather history - UPI Archives

People might not believe it, but Mother Nature is never fooled. Way more foliage hanging around than usual, at least in my area.

With how hot it is these days, you would think natural gas would be free. Totally worthless.

Yes, please do. Let's keep this thread focused on Hurricane Melissa.

Always be wary of the concern troll!

Yeah, I don’t understand either. But look at the example I posted, and check others, and you’ll see, in a number of cases, it’s not a simple arithmetic average. And in some cases, diverges significantly (almost always warmer than the mean).

Looking at Newark, New Jersey, it's not as clear cut. It's teetering on the edge of summertime, as there is only one colder meteorological summer month in the expanded history (June 1903), although the mean high in June 1859 was only 0.1F warmer than the first two weeks of October 2025.

I would say this is endless summer. At least it is in Ohio, not sure about New York City. This is one thing you often overlook by focusing on the anomalous past warm years, there were a lot of historic years that were VERY cold. Looking at Cleveland, the first two weeks of October is running warmer than several historic Junes and even some of the coldest Augusts. Nobody would say June or August aren't summer months, just because they are colder than average. So if those months were colder than this October, and yet still considered to be summer, I would say you must accept that it is still summer. The mean high temperature for October so far is 72.7F. We can see there were 18 historic Junes with mean high temperatures for the month at or below that temperature, most recently in 1972. And, for August, we can find one cooler year (1927) and one just 0.1F warmer than this October to date (1915). Nobody would say August 1927 wasn't a summer month.

A "normal" year would be 10th hottest ever (excluding 2025's partial data). Note, as well, despite this "fib" factor on the normals, every single year since 2020 has come in above even these artificially elevated norms. Prior to 2020, only four years were at or above 52.5F (1921, 1931, 1998, and 2012) and yet they want us to believe/accept that this is the new normal? What game are they playing?

The normals aren't simple arithmetic averages. In fact, with the 1991-2020 normals, it looks like they were piloting some sort of new method of calculating them in Ohio, where the normals are significantly above the means. This is especially prevalent at Toledo, where the normal is an unbelievable 1.9F above the calculated mean. It appears to be a new methodology to factor in the warming trend, so more months are near or below average, instead of exclusively above average. Because of this change, even a "normal" year would be among the warmest ever recorded at Toledo. Just another way for them to hide the incline, I guess.

Definitely had some solid frost each of the last two mornings in my area, especially heavy on the rooftops. Did not drop below freezing though on my thermometer.

I wonder how cold it got in November 1950? I know there were a lot of single digit and subzero readings in Ohio during the great blizzard which dropped a widespread 20-30+ inches of snow in the Ohio Valley and Appalachians.

Quite a different picture for our friend in Dayton, where a daily record rainfall of nearly 2 1/2" of rain converted a small annual deficit into a surplus of nearly 2 inches. This was also the 67th most precipitation for any day on record - dating back to the 19th century! It may always be sunny in Philadelphia, but it's always cloudy in Dayton.

Water withdrawals have essentially zero impact on Lake Champlain's level. It's a minute fraction of the total volume, and most of it is treated and redeposited into the lake system.

I'd say so with the yearly deficit nearing one foot.

Increased Siberian snow cover is, in part, a consequence of a warming Arctic: Enhanced Arctic moisture transport toward Siberia in autumn revealed by tagged moisture transport model experiment | npj Climate and Atmospheric Science