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Holston_River_Rambler

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  1. EPS member 25 is love! well, if you live in the pink area lol
  2. Just from reading the intro to the paper Furtado cited, it seems to me this "wave reflection" activity is something we're still struggling with: https://journals.ametsoc.org/configurable/content/journals$002fmwre$002f148$002f4$002fmwr-d-19-0339.1.xml?t:ac=journals%24002fmwre%24002f148%24002f4%24002fmwr-d-19-0339.1.xml Here is a key paragraph IMO: "Second, the polar vortex can also act as a reflective surface, preventing the absorption of upward-propagating waves. Troposphere induced waves entering the stratosphere are then reflected downward, thereby influencing tropospheric circulation (Harnik 2009; Shaw et al. 2010; Perlwitz and Harnik 2004; Kodera et al. 2008, 2013). While the occurrence of wave reflection is well documented (Perlwitz and Harnik 2003; Shaw et al. 2010; Nath et al. 2014), its impacts on surface weather have been given less attention. Recently, Kretschmer et al. (2018a) showed that downward reflected waves over Canada favor North Pacific blocking, respectively, a negative phase of the Western Pacific Oscillation (WPO), and are associated with cold spells over Canada and the northeastern United States, consistent with earlier case studies (Kodera et al. 2008, 2013). Nevertheless, the exact role of wave reflection for North American cold spells, as well as the possibilities for subseasonal to seasonal (S2S) forecasting has not yet been comprehensively assessed."
  3. Here's a thought. Strat stuff seems to give models problems. I think we can all agree on that. How do models visualize things like the wave reflection Furtado is describing? Is it just a storm driving poleward carrying heat that hits a stout SPV and gets shunted back down (in altitude and latitude) in the flow? What hPa level does that happen at? We normally look at H5 vort maps for storms, surface reflections, or the jet stream and 200 or 300mb to see a storm and we have all those atmospheric levels on all the models we look at so its pretty easy to see a storm forming, breaking, and eventually dissipating. Does it really disappear though? Does the energy flux up to like 100mb, 50 mb, and eventually 10mb and take heat from the mid latitudes with it? It just seems to me that there is this nether region of modeling (at least as I usually use them) above the jet levels and I have no clue how or if that gets modeled. We always look at models as 2D projections, but really those higher and lower heights are just that, bowls and hills in the atmosphere creating baroclinic zones. I wish there was some way to tilt the projection and get a 3rd dimension on a planetary scale, something besides a sounding or even one of those cool cross section soundings. I think I kind of answered my own question toward the end of that, but I guess what I'm getting at is this. As waves get "reflected" (whatever that actually means) could that cause some blind spots for modeling?
  4. Excellent! I was actually interested to see some of the indvidual members after the OP day 10 look.
  5. I think it is definitely decelerating and weakening and looks to weaken quite a bit more: I guess though instead of splitting it as waves break, those waves that bring the warming are being reflected back down across the north pole into Canada. I really wish there was some 3D way to visualize not just the SPV but how a wave would attack the SPV and then be shunted back down to drive the pattern over N America.
  6. Euro's EPO would surely dislodge some cold south: Twould be interesting to see how far SE the shallow cold could make it:
  7. The above was from earlier in the winter. Here is a current graph for the same wave reflection phenomenon: so even though the waves aren’t destroying the SPV they could still be meaningfully reflected toward Canada if I’m reading that correctly and cause swings in modeling wrt the cold
  8. I’m kind of wondering if the reason we’re seeing the cold push in early February has to do with the waves being reflected as they attack the SPV and heading due south out of the North Pole through Canada. Apparently that is a thing that can happen:
  9. That run ended up with some 12+ inch lollipops of qpf over the Frozen Head mts.
  10. After the GFS's lascivious indulgence yesterday at 12z, the sinner repents and gives us our favorite February pattern! I know it is only one run, but if the trough dumps out west and fights the SE ridge, we may end up on the boundary. That is a very realistic and possible progression.
  11. Disclaimer: the following has noting to do with the next couple of weeks. With regards to the strat stuff, EasternLI had a good post in the NY subforum this AM: You can actually see what EasternLI is talking about on the 3D maps: The top of the vortex definitely gets smaller and slows some, but the bottom seems to keep chugging along. I don't necessarily think that this means a huge change for better or worse though. 1. Even if we had a major top down SSWE, it would take until the end of Feb at this point to see real impacts in the Eastern US IMO. So we were still looking at a couple weeks of an unfavorable pattern in mid Feb. 2. A weakened SPV shouldn't impact the meta-pattern we've been in since fall, the 2.5 weeks of unfavorable pattern, then a week to a week and a half of better chances. I'd almost go so far as to say that when the pattern shifts again at the end of Feb. we will have better chances than with the one we're in or heading for now over thee next week and a half or so. Remember October? The cold snap we got for a week that month was stout. The one at the end of November, ehh, not so much. December? We all remember that one. Hopefully everyone has their water back by now. The one this month? Certainly the GFS has hinted that a major cold snap is possible, but. I suspect it will be more muted like that of November. As the wavelengths shorten and as the MJO makes it slow pass back towards the more favorable phases toward the end of February, I'm really interested to see what we end up with by Feb 25th or so.
  12. Happy hour GFS sobered up, but at least it has a nice cross polar flow in the long range.
  13. I'll probably eat this at 18z, but the past couple of iterations of the GFS seem to do well at guestimating timing for big HPs dropping down the lee of the Rockies. It's OP runs have had them pretty consistently for a few cycles now. I think some cold is def. dropping down, just have to hope it makes it east.
  14. It’s Saturday so happy hour started at noon. Half price well drinks until 18z!
  15. Beautiful surface track on the 22-23 storm: If only we had that track in January and there was some cold air around lol. <sarcasm intended>
  16. We should have a year where instead of models, we just run through weird old mountain folklore.
  17. Pretty similar at the surface to some of the looks at range we had for the December PV visit: December GFS happy hour run at range Current happy hour GFS run at range:
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