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going back to la nina norms, isn't this a classic situation...la ninas and christmas rapid snowmelt and flooding lol?

I still remember Mallow celebrating whenever a La Nina was forecast because he thought Seattle would be getting a ton of snow and the NE would get screwed lol.

well people in the Pac NW have been talking about a snowdrought ever since 1966-67

snow squalls?

good I knew climate change had to have some positive effect and warming of both the Pacific and Atlantic seems to be it....killing off of the negative influence of la ninas in the Pacific and making noreaster precip bombs much more likely in the Atlantic are some good results for us weather enthusiasts.

I thought it's supposed to rain Sunday and Monday?

are they experiencing a snow drought in Toronto like Seattle has been?

in Jan 94 we had two arctic outbreaks that went to 0 or below, I remember there was one where we went from 0 for the low to 32 for the high at the next midnight and then a 55 high the next day as a screaming sou'easter blew through.....

it was really good but not historic across long island.....J01232016 was historic across a wide swath of the region ;-)

I always point to that storm when people say that a storm cutting across Long Island cant be all snow here.

Not to mention that 2020 has a chance to be the warmest year on record globally. By the way, now you're going to be hardpressed to find anyone who doesn't agree that a snowless October-November is good for December snows (and perhaps winter as a whole), you and I have been discussing a possible mechanism for this and a reason why this may be and I tend to agree with your theory that the pattern needs some time to "recover and reload" after a wintry event so perhaps a late October or November event portends badly for December and perhaps for winter as a whole because of this. Remember it took us until mid February to recover enough from A11072012 to get to N02082013 on the east coast. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2012_nor'easter A mid-level shortwave over the Midwestern United States was moving eastward on November 6, just four days after Hurricane Sandy dissipated, toward a trough over the Southeastern United States, and into an area with abundant moisture and favorable conditions from the jet stream. The combination was favorable for a nor'easter to form,[3] and on November 7, a strong low pressure area developed along the coast of North Carolina.[4] At the time, there was an area of cold air inland the Mid-Atlantic States and New England that would allow the precipitation to fall as snow.[5] By November 8, the system drifting to the northeast, located about 90 mi (140 km) south-southeast of Boston, Massachusetts, with a front extending northeastward to Nova Scotia. Its large circulation dropped rain and snow across the northeastern United States.[6] Some areas within NYC, got close to a foot of snow across Western Long Island, including Eastern Queens County in a narrow snow band that set up because of the coastal front. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_February_2013_North_American_blizzard The Early February 2013 North American blizzard was a powerful blizzard that developed from the combination of two areas of low pressure,[5] primarily affecting the Northeastern United States and parts of Canada, causing heavy snowfall and hurricane-force winds. The storm crossed the Atlantic Ocean, affecting Ireland and the United Kingdom.[6] The nor'easter's effects in the United States received a Category 3 rank on the Northeast Snowfall Impact Scale, classifying it as a "Major" Winter Storm.

that was the BECS of ice storms and so beautiful at the end...KPOU at one point was 3 degrees with "heavy freezing rain" WTF was going on lol We were below freezing for the entire event here.

how close is it to the anniversary of the Dec 1995 storm

I hope we can get one more event to get over the top- reaching 12 inches for the month would be nice.

cant forget that 1898-99 season. I think the 34 inches at Cape May during the historic Feb 1899 is still the record for highest snowfall total in a coastal location from a single storm.

Yes, and I think we've shown that la ninas that come after el ninos can be especially snowy (maybe that was a factor here too, although last winter certainly didn't behave like an el nino). What I find curious is that the predictions for the snowy March in the 17-18 winter were quite good and some even compared it to 55-56 before that winter even began. What was going on in 17-18 that made people feel so good about a snowy March (and early April!) that year, Chris? The interesting thing about 15-16 vs 82-83 is first of all how historic the warmth in Dec 15 was and secondly how our peak historic snowstorms have migrated from Feb to Jan! From what I recall, before the last couple of decades there weren't nearly as many 20" Jan snowstorms as we've had since.....most of them happened in Feb. Jan before the 90s was characteristically a cold and dry month and if it wasn't dry it was on account of a few small snowfalls rather than one huge one. 2008-09 was the only winter in recent memory that I can recall following the old pattern that used to be so dominant. Probably not coincidentally, it was also an endangered species in another manner....a nearly average snowfall season!

do you have snowfall totals for our official reporting stations? My favorite part of this event was between 3:30 am and 7 am when the temps plummeted and we had near white out conditions with heavy snow and high winds here....didn't expect that at all.

10" is the break even point as far as predicting a better than average snowfall winter.

Binghamton would have been closer to him and had the historic snowfall. How many 40"+ synoptic snowstorms have occurred in the northeast?

yes see this proves my point that ENSO is not as useful of a predictor as AO/NAO are. The La Nina is still there of course, but it is not influencing our weather as much as AO/NAO are.

that still rounds to 30, I find it acceptable at this point, especially with how horrible last season was.

but we've also had extremely backloaded la nina winters like we had in 55-56 and a few years ago. I just think we shouldn't depend too much on ENSO. AO and NAO are far better predictors for us.

Count me in as an ENSO skeptic, I've lived long enough to have experienced great la ninas and horrible el ninos.....I just dont think the science is there to use ENSO alone as an indicator.....other factors are more important like the NAO and AO. But we use ENSO out of sheer laziness, because it is the easiest to predict.

The end of the storm was more exciting than the beginning....it changed back to all snow here at 3:30 AM (even while the north shore of Suffolk County was still raining I might add), and it snowed hard here for 3 hours with high winds and almost white out conditions as the temperatures crashed into the upper 20s by 4 AM. The wind blew so hard that I saw transformers popping like lightning and my power flickered! I heard the airports all had snowfall records for the date (I assume that was for yesterday). What were the totals as of now, Don?

New Euro looks amazing has 12 inches for extreme eastern LI