LibertyBell

Wow, nice, thanks! So this shows they are more common in December than March, which is what I expected since we've seen a few big December storms in the 15-20 inch range here but haven't seen a March storm like that in my lifetime. The 2 in April doesn't include the 9.6" measured at NYC in April 1982 does it? Funny thing-- EWR measured around 13" in that one lol. Temperature definitely wasn't a problem. That was my first ever clear snowstorm memory and to this day my favorite late season snowstorm ever! I'm shocked the January total is so close to December and so far away from February, I suspect in our new climate we'll see January catch up to February within a few decades.

I also know Athena because that was the first one named and was our earliest MECS ever (8.5 inches in the first week of November and right after Sandy!)

I regularly mix up 1 and 2....never 3, since that was the GOAT!

okay in my naming scheme that's Western Suffolk 3/2018

I have a proposal, name each storm by the local area that got jackpotted. so it's Central Suffolk 2/2013 Eastern Suffolk 1/2015 JFK 1/2016

Yeah but we do need naming of winter storms....it's too confusing when there's more than one big storm in a month and I have to refer to....oh, it was the second big storm in February 2010 (as an example.) They name all big impact storms in Europe, they need to do the same here. I say name all big storms or name none, no reason for TCs to get special treatment either. Base it off of how large the area is covered by winter storm warnings and/or the number of people under them.

Those were marginal though and we need controlled scientific methods for measuring snowfall and the only ones that count for those are NYC, JFK, LGA....as much as we disagree with their measuring techniques, we have to use official NWS reporting sites and those are the only ones.

If we could get an event like March 1993 with those kinds of temps and not changeover...then we would be in business! Even in April (see April 1982). We need temps to be several degrees below freezing to combat the sun angle and urbanization factors.

April had a nice snowstorm too, that was my favorite of that entire season.

Not just Manhattan, I would include western Long Island and the rest of the city too. Basically all heavily urbanized areas around here. I prefer December much more for our big snowstorms than March.

No it's not luck, it's urbanization being a huge factor. I've often seen areas south of us have higher totals in late season events.

I dont think "average" really explains the variety of our weather. We're in the 60s at least a few times almost every winter as far back as I can remember. Average is just a smoothing out of the extremes.

lol he's behaving like 60 degrees doesn't happen in February. We get 60 degrees almost every year in either or both December and February.

Uhm is he disputing the NWS? They specifically mentioned that there won't be record highs because records are in the middle and upper 60s and we're only going to be around 60.

worse than that he always disappears just prior to and during snowstorms.

Correct and we're talking about rural parts of Long Island doing a lot better after February. Western Long Island hasn't had any 10" event after February either, just like NYC.

Chris I really think if double digit snowstorms were still reasonably possible in the city or western long island after February, they would've happened already but they haven't in decades despite the favorite new snowy climate we have. As for 20" plus...meh, the chances of getting hit by an extinction level asteroid are probably higher than NYC or urban western Long Island ever getting a 20" snowstorm after February. It's why we actually want snowy Decembers more than snowy Marches....snowy Decembers usually lead to more snowy winters. Dont get me wrong, I love to get a 6" storm in March or April, but we need to keep our expectations in check and not expect anything more than that. March 1993 was the last time NYC had a 10" snow event after February correct (and that changed to rain.) The last time we had an all snow snowstorm after the end of February was 10" in April 1982 (and it was actually 9.6" lol.....I'm not even sure when the last 10.0" plus storm after February was.)

I just don't believe 10"+ snowstorms in March in NYC and urban western Long Island are possible anymore because of the extensive urbanization enhancing the effect of sun angle. 6"+ yes, 10"+ no. I mean I wont discount a fluke once in a 50 year event, but it's not something anyone should reasonably expect. Eastern Long Island and NW areas are a different story. The storms mentioned above should've happened in February or earlier.....March is just too late.

I'm going to say that if that storm would have happened in February it would have been all snow. There's a reason NYC doesn't get 10" plus snowstorms in March....urbanization enhancing the effects of sun angle. It's why I think we can get one or even two 6" snowstorms after February (in March and April), but the chances of a 10" snowfall in NYC drop down dramatically.

By the way .....meteorology isn't an exact science, so no one should judge anyone else. I am willing to bet no one is particularly more accurate than anyone else.

More rain is also a factor and springtime seems to see a -NAO with the highest frequency.

Thats Newark though, the area hot spot. I noticed those of us to the east of there haven't seen any 80 degree temps in winter (the latest was 80 on November 15, 1993 if I remember correctly.) I'm always suspect of Newark temps because they are even warmer than Philly; Newark should be classified in a different climate type than the one we're in.

Yes, the quantity near the high end is itself reaching record levels, but if we're talking about the highest temps we achieve each winter, that's pretty stable, no? So you could have let's say 8-9 60 degree highs now vs maybe 4-5 decades ago? But the top end high temps are around the same? Maybe there's a ceiling for the extreme temps and they very rarely get beyond a certain number-- for the winter I'd estimate that to be 70. We very rarely get temps AOB 70 and that hasn't changed since record keeping started. It would be interesting to bracket the frequency of high end temps....so let's say how many 60+ highs vs an earlier period, how many 65+ highs vs back then, how many 68+ (20C+) highs vs back then, 70+ etc. The higher up you go, the less the differences I would imagine, as we get closer to the ceiling. We're getting closer to a Denver type climate, I just wish the humidity would get as low as it is there. I love warm days and cool nights...we have some of that in Fall (November), but in Denver that's a common pattern.

If you want to combat the weeniesm I think the best way to do it is to go through all his posts and weenie all of them and then go to through the posts of everyone he's weenied and favorite all of those lol. It's a lot of work but I've done that before lol. Or at least the ones I've seen.

The Arctic is exactly where we need the most climate engineering. Fix the Arctic and that will fix everything else as far as that is concerned. How much liquid nitrogen do we need to dump there eh? ;-)