LibertyBell
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It makes me wonder what it will take to change the Pacific if a strong el nino couldn't do it.
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It's why I like living near JFK, we measure better. Even LGA is way too commercial and packed densely, we actually have wetlands around here which keep it more of a natural climate, as opposed to the other three, which are much more artificial and surrounded by concrete.
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We already had this in January 2016.
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NYC undermeasured in January 1996 and Philadelphia overmeasured in that storm. It might be more like January 2016, which had a strong component of extra moisture.
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Yes, this is exactly what I'm looking at, a hot and dry summer like 1983, 1995, 2010.
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and had that been the case, Don, JFK would likely have been over 20" and have had its first double digit snowstorm in many years!
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Yes, the park can't be trusted for anything anymore-- not temperatures, wind speeds or snowfall measurements. JFK has had issues over the years too (mostly on extremely windy snowstorms where they undermeasure.) I thought the 93-94 snowfall totals were decent because it's the first time in my life I had seen a 50"+ winter. Back in the mid 90s no one ever told us what the other totals were, I only found those out a decade later.
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it's not even going to snow in the Poconos it'll probably be around 50 here on Friday -
I don't know about LGA, but I can see why the park total would be lower than both EWR and LGA, because that was a latitude based inland winter. I know for a fact they were several inches lower than EWR, because Newark killed it in the February events and the city changed over to rain. JFK's total of 47 inches was also pretty accurate, I measured 49 inches here on Long Island. If the park was off that winter, it wasn't by much.
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They measured over 53 inches in 1993-94 though which was in line with the other airports.
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Mansfield OH.... wow, they should have 3 feet of snow by now and they don't even have 8 inches!
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But snowfall measuring definitely was not a problem in during the prolific winters of 1993-94 and 1995-96 (although some say that the January 1996 blizzard was undermeasured at Central Park.) Temperature measurements also did not become a problem until the 2000s (after 2002 I'd say.)
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Thanks Don, when did LGA and EWR's period of record begin?
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Thanks, Don... a bit of a historical note regarding JFK airport. So, before it was called JFK, it was called Idlewild. In an old Twilight Zone episode Idlewild is mentioned as the landing spot for a transatlantic flight that never makes it to its destination. So since JFK/Idlewild's record keeping began in 1948, I wonder what its airport code was back then? Also, was 1948 a historically hot summer with 3-4 100 degree days and did JFK record a number of 100 degree days that summer? I remember reading somewhere that they might have.
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It's absolutely amazing with all the talk of NYC undermeasuring snow, they still beat all the other major east coast cities in snowfall this week.
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It's too bad we don't have a record from JFK from 1947-48.... likely all New York City locations received over 20 inches in that HECS. There were no issues with temperatures or mixing with that storm from what I recall from the historical record (would you agree with this Don?)
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Probably because 1972-73 was much colder than this winter Don?
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It would be nice for NYC to hit a 30 year average of 30".... we were so close with the last 30 year average. When was the last time they had a 30 year average of 30"....a hundred years ago?
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It's interesting how the airport codes never seem to match up to the names. Whimsically, I wonder why the airport code wasn't XYZ instead....
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Refresher snow & obs between ~midnight and Noon Sat Feb 17 2024
LibertyBell replied to wdrag's topic in New York City Metro
Yeah that's why I put the - after the C lol It's hard to give a winter a D when there are two snowfalls of 4 inches plus.... in the same week! -
Refresher snow & obs between ~midnight and Noon Sat Feb 17 2024
LibertyBell replied to wdrag's topic in New York City Metro
lol notice the NYC measurements in those storms.... also, you should include the April storm, since it was part of the same pattern. -
Refresher snow & obs between ~midnight and Noon Sat Feb 17 2024
LibertyBell replied to wdrag's topic in New York City Metro
it's definitely been melting here today with the strong sunshine -
Was it 1993 when the changes happened? I thought it was 2000, right when they stopped measuring temperature properly (because of bad siting.)
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So interesting we ended a historic 2010-11 winter with 70 degree warmth. In other news, it's the anniversary of PD2!
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the el nino was nowhere near as strong as 97-98, it was much closer to 57-58 and 72-73, which shows you can get either extreme-- very snowy or snowless what this proves and the truth is enso has very little influence on how much snow we get, the only thing that really matters is blocking (and it doesn't have to be nao blocking.)
