LibertyBell

Giants and Jets need to relocate somewhere else and we need new teams. Like LA got them and the Rams won the SB right after. I'm fully on board with making the Giants and Jets both leave.

the winds were unprecedented too and it's been very dry there. I think everyone wants la nina to end, I really wish we could control it and make it so la nina could only happen once every 10 years. And control marine heatwaves through artificial upwelling. Controlling ocean currents would be absolutely awesome, maybe one day.

wild how 2015-16 was so warm with a HECS that dumped 30"+ of snow here and a -1 low at NYC! 1982-83 was the only other winter even remotely similar to it, Chris!

Is this going to help end those California fires? That should be our main concern now.

no no, I meant the temperatures we had last December of 11 degrees to 12 degrees were the coldest of the season so far, Chris ;-) I love your data but I was talking about something else this time....

Such a Jekyll and Hyde winter, even the New England people almost gave up on winter after December was so mild. Was that an el nino Chris?

we still haven't beaten those low temperatures of 11-12 from back then. Nor the snowfall.

wow no wonder I have such positive memories of 2014-15, it was so close to 1995-96.....

it does remind me of March 2014 in that way.

There was an actual STJ in 2010-11, a holdover from the strong el nino of the previous winter.

Maybe 2003-04 was more like 1976-77? But I think you had more snow in 1976-77, Ray? Down here it was very cold and very dry.

cold and sun is better than warm and rain.... but not as good as warm and sun or cold and snow

You can ski in the Ozarks ;-)

I agree with you there, but I think both will need to be done, because there is going to be a big lag effect when burning of fossil fuels is reduced and even ended and meanwhile a great deal of damage will have happened before we see the effects of reducing and even stopping them, like the multibillion dollar disasters as we have seen becoming far too common. So I believe the two will have to be done in conjunction.

If we get the big snow after the 20th it will be a MUCH better analog.

2003-04 wasn't such a great winter up your way, Ray :-( were you below zero in January 2004? we were low single digits in both but I think the average mean of February 2015 was lower here.... even the last day of February was in the single digits here (almost made it to March.... which was also cold and snowy!) I have really good memories of the back half of 2014-15, certainly better ones than I do of 2013-14. The only winter with more prolonged snow cover I can remember was 2010-11 in which the snow was up to my windows!

and it was after that we banned the aerosols, Don? this is why there are major projects now underway to emit aerosols into the upper atmosphere beginning in 2030 to neutralize climate change, Don. All that needs to be done is to block 1% of sunlight....

That might explain the 14" total from the February 1978 blizzard lol. And even with that historic undermeasurement JFK still got over 60" in that winter!

I think the extreme cold started in October with temps in the upper 20s and only got stronger from there-- truly historic stuff, more rare than a 2 foot blizzard, that's for sure! But not as much fun....

what was going on to have such extremely cold winters back to back back then Don? I know they were both el ninos but you NEVER see this kind of cold in an el nino, not like 76-77 and 77-78

also the only winter that averaged below 30.0 since 1933-34, crazy stuff!

no we're talking about the period from the mid 80s to the early 90s

do you know 6+ inch snowfalls were so rare back then I heard there was talk of lowering winter storm warnings to 4" snow and school closings to 4" of snow too? That might happen one day....

it's our rarest type of snowfall, though I'd rather say it's 4-6 not 4-8, 6+ snowfalls were very rare and very spotty late 80s, early 90s and again late 90s.

That's probably the rarest type of winter and will probably never happen again (at least not in our lifetimes.) The top winters with snow cover at JFK.... 1960-61, 1977-78, 1993-94, 1995-96, 2002-03, 2010-11.... in chronological order? I'm not sure if I left any out.