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It’s interesting that Killington is up to like 180” on the season which is very good for them heading into March but sugarbush is only at 130”. They must’ve missed a lot of the upslope Stowe and Jay got but too far north for the synoptic storms that cutoff around Killington this year. Killington was due for a good winter they hadn’t hit their claimed average in several years.

This winter would've been exceptional if the Christmas thaw never wiped out the December storm in southern and central Vermont.

Definitely agree. The meat of the ski season has been very good all over for average snowfall at a lot of places. I think New Hampshire into maine is probably a bit behind vermont in terms of near average snowfall and snow depths.

This season seems to be a bit more below average for northern New England than I realized. I think the 2 big storms in my area and a relatively good year in certain areas of southern Vermont made me think northern areas were closer to average. Also the really nice stretch of cold weather, with no thaws, great skiing, and substantial snow pack throughout most of the northeast from mid January till mid February seemed to mask the rest of the subpar winter except the December storm. Hopefully March delivers a few big coastal storms to the northern areas and keeps the season going late and strong.

Snow pack at Hermit lake has finally reached~50” as it’s been around 45” for weeks now. They’ve been tracking the plot for almost 4 seasons now and surprisingly every season has achieved an 80+” pack there that peaks usually mid to late March but sometimes even early April. 17-18 hit around 80”. 18-19 hit 100”. It surprised me that even last season 19-20, which seemed below average to mediocre at best hit about 90” in early April. So there’s a good amount of ground still to make up there over the next few weeks to reach the levels of the last few years and models are looking pretty dry For the first half of March. Have You toured up there recently?

Yes That area and the border crossing in New Hampshire. There are actually 2 spots that report depth sometimes. One at Second Connecticut Lake and the other is right above it. They seem to report considerably more on average than the 1st Connecticut lake so I can’t imagine what the crest at the border crossing would have. Uploaded an example I came across. They also reported last week and had more than the rest of that area.

I think you’re spot on with several points such as the farther north generally the less precipitation. It’s also possible that there aren’t quality observations like your own coming out of areas like the chic chocs especially at the higher elevations to truly measure every inch that falls each season. Requires Some dedication To measure accurately and frequently in a snowy place like that. Lastly I did read through your report of Big jay. I have never been up there but you mentioned the snow was already around 40” deep at 2000’. We discussed The Nohrsc mapping a month or so ago and it has had that whole Jay area at 20-30” for the past month or so which just can’t be right at higher elevations. I have Recently noticed with Nohrsc that it seems to heavily weigh real on the ground observations more than anything when regarding the shading on the map. A cocorahs reporter had 36” depth in the southern adk a couple days ago and Nohrsc updated its map to show a 30-40” zone in that area.

went to school out in the midwest and there are a few fairly active posters in the lake effect thread there. One is in Calumet/Larium area which is just north of houghton on the keweenaw but also on the spine of the peninsula at 1200'. They seem to average 250+". Their is also a woman on the Tug Hill in Redfield who has very accurate data and a long term average (25 years) of 290". She seems to be in the perfect spot latitudinally for lake effect but only around 1300'. A couple miles east gets to almost 2000' on the tug hill which I would guess has to average 300" or a bit more based on her data. The tug hill seems to get the ridiculous 5-10' lake effect events and probably the only spot for storms of that magnitude outside of the Western Mountains, but the Keweenaw has better snow preservation and depths with more frequent snows as well. Those 2 areas are no doubt the snowiest places under 3000' east of the rockies

Yea I was going to ask if you’d driven through there or observed much. It would be interesting to drive west during an upslope event and see if there is any noticeable differences. That observer only reported for Like 2 or 3 years and they were on the west side of Randolph still a ways from Jefferson. I know on the meso models like the 3km NAM and wrf they always paint a narrow strip of enhanced snow during west or northwest flow I believe from the presidentials that connects diagonally to the Pilot/piny range where Mt Cabot is. I wonder if that intersects rt 2 somewhere. I bet you’ve probably seen that depiction on the models it’s always there. The Models also always show the sharp cutoff to basically nothing a lot of the time as you continue west towards Jefferson and Whitefield which you mentioned are noticeable snow holes from observation. The white mountains are interesting to me because they’re not a spine like the greens where it’s pretty obvious where the upslope occurs. There has to be some real micro climate differences in your area.

I did some night skiing up at catamount last Friday after they got some snow and it was all completely skied off by then. I had skied just a week earlier up at Pico and the conditions were incredible there. Jiminy, catamount area to me is glorified southern New England type skiing and the conditions can change drastically just as you go up into vermont from my experience. Back in Mid-December I skied Magic after the 3 foot storm they got and stopped at Jiminy to night ski a bit on the way home. The difference in conditions were incredible. 2-3 feet of ungroomed powder all day at Magic to Machine groomed not even great packed powder conditions at Jiminy even tho they reported 15”-18”. They definitely cater to the crowds they get a lot of young families and vacationers there not a ton of locals I think. Still a fun place tho and not too far from me.

I’m not very familiar with your area but I have looked in the past at a bunch of the data on xmacis. There used to be another reporter down the road from your area a few years back. They were located around the Bowman inn and Jefferson notch snowmobile rentals area I believe. I think that area was discussed in here before and people thought it would be very snowy as the mountains converge around there. Elevation there is still around 1500-1600 and it seems to be the crest of rt-2. Anyways the data was a bit spotty and definitely not as good as the reporter in your neighborhood but they seemed to always measure For the bigger storms. I noticed a trend that, that location always reported more backside snow during the storms than your reporter did. Maybe they do a bit better a few miles west there with upslope snow than you but the retention at your spot is better I bet. One example of an upslope storm was January 2010. I believe Burlington area got a lot with that also. The 4.0wsw Randolph reporter had over 30” with almost 40 on the ground, and the one 1.4ne had around 20” with about 30 on the ground.

Skiing Pico today. Awesome out there. Untracked powder from Tuesday is almost boot deep up top in spots And the base is deep. Soft bumps all over.

Just saw on Instagram. Triggered by Snowmass ski patrol.

I saw Wildcat said they got 17”. Also looking at NOHRSC Randolph has a 34” snow depth which is only behind Hermit lake in all of NH. The 34” is basically double anything else in NH including the Pittsburg area. Pretty wild.

Just saw on Twitter. 3" of liquid equivalent at Ellenburg Ny. The farther north town in the state of NY. They have been up-sloping off the Northeast wind all day. All the mesos had been showing that area getting crushed today but ~3ft+ is insane. Has to be pretty rare that NYC area and that area get crushed by the same storm. https://twitter.com/NickPBassill/status/1356827452933369857?s=20

Was just looking at the AMC reports. The highland center had a report of 8" new around 11 am this morning. Thats a pretty crazy difference in just a few miles. I guess in a setup like this the snow made it just to the notch but not really past it. Pretty awesome microclimates in that area.

Around 30+ in That Pocono area

That band about to hit Sugarloaf area looks insane. They reported 6-8 a few hours ago. Just checked actually they said 10 as of 5 minutes ago before this crazy heavy batch looks to move in

Family said another ~7” from last evening till this morning in Poughkeepsie side of Lagrange. So around 22-24” but that’s With adding 3 separate measurements.

Sunday River too

Somehow there’s a weenie band in Binghamton

Family estimated 16-18” around 6pm in Red Oaks. Not official measurements but a lot regardless.

Sounds awesome. Gotta get some pics in here

Yea all timer there for sure. Orange County is going to clean up tonight too it seems

Eastern Catskills getting crushed rn