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The Summer AMO / Atlantic warmth is pretty well correlated with sea ice extent this time of year. It's been running colder than it has in quite a while. The raw "untrended" AMO figure was 22.869C for the Atlantic in July. That's the coldest since 2018 in July, and it is relatively comparable to the warmest years in prior warm AMO cycles like 1960 (22.738C), especially if you assume there has been more than 0.15C warming since 1960 in SSTs. The 'recovery' year of 2013 was partly driven by a large drop in AMO/Atlantic warmth too. July 2012 was 22.986C, and then July 2013 was only 22.804C.
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2021-2022 ENSO
raindancewx replied to StormchaserChuck!'s topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
I never bothered looking at this until today, but my analog blend for last winter was pretty good at 500 mb. Main issue was not having enough high pressure over Greenland. Only had Dec negative for a neutral winter. The closest blend to last winter that matches on the very cold Nino 4, very high +WPO, and -NAO winter is 1959-60 (x2), 2007-08, 2008-09. This is the time of year I start to figure out if the WPO will be positive or negative. It's very rare for it be very positive in a La Nina like last year, when it was actually record positive overall. You can see that the difference in snow in the top +WPO and top -WPO winters are pretty large in the I-40 corridor. The map is pretty different from the El Nino snow composite map, despite most high WPO+ years occurring in El Ninos. -
Can't really do it for the EPO, because there is no index tracked for December because of how it behaves that month. I am working on one for the WPO, because that's a big deal for US temperatures in Feb-Apr, and also Sept-Nov, which are both snowy periods in the West. The +WPO coupled with the real cold Nino 4 is actually real rare in terms of winters. You had a record +WPO winter with a La Nina, it's nearly unheard of. It was a super -WPO in Fall too.
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2021-2022 ENSO
raindancewx replied to StormchaserChuck!'s topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
Weatherbell has winters starting in 2003, 2005, 2008, 2017, 2020 as the winter analog blend at the moment. I liked 2003 as a low weighted analog for 2020-21 last year, so that doesn't surprise me too much as a comparable year to 2020 even though it is warm ENSO. It was very close to 2020 in December, and then February 2004 was not terrible as a match to February 2021. The most interesting thing about that group is that each becomes an El Nino following winter...except for 2020-21. To their credit, that blend does at least look like current conditions in the tropics and for US temperatures. It's also a pretty warm winter. https://www.weatherbell.com/prelim-2021-22-winter-outlook -
You guys were the winners when I looked at the importance of the NAO to snowfall nationally for 1950-51 to 2020-21. I used 'normalized' on the map, but the raw math is better really, just top ten -NAO winter average snowfall divided by top ten +NAO winter average snowfall, on the same scale (10 inches average for everybody). "Winter" is all snow that falls July-June if based on how the NAO behaved in winter. The normalized is me pretending to measure the difference from the NAO on a ten-inch standard for everyone. Snow +NAO -NAO +NAO -NAO normalized raw Caribou 0.20% 8.30% 10.02 10.83 8.10% 8.08% Bangor -9.30% 20.70% 9.07 12.07 30.00% 33.08% Boston -6.00% 1.20% 9.4 10.12 7.20% 7.66% Albany -16.30% 0.05% 8.37 10.005 16.35% 19.53% Buffalo -19.70% 13.60% 8.03 11.36 33.30% 41.47% NYC -4.20% 22.00% 9.58 12.2 26.20% 27.35% Philly -14.80% 42.20% 8.52 14.22 57.00% 66.90% Harrisburg -10.60% 29.50% 8.94 12.95 40.10% 44.85% Pittsburgh -15.00% 14.00% 8.5 11.4 29.00% 34.12% Richmond -4.70% 46.20% 9.53 14.62 50.90% 53.41% Roanoke -21.30% 63.80% 7.87 16.38 85.10% 108.13% Charlotte -23.90% 69.00% 7.61 16.9 92.90% 122.08% Elkins -10.80% 11.10% 8.92 11.11 21.90% 24.55% Cleveland -16.70% -1.70% 8.33 9.83 15.00% 18.01% Cincy -26.10% 34.50% 7.39 13.45 60.60% 82.00% Louisville -22.50% 46.00% 7.75 14.6 68.50% 88.39% Paducah -10.90% 69.80% 8.91 16.98 80.70% 90.57% Indianapolis -28.40% 22.20% 7.16 12.22 50.60% 70.67% Detroit -13.70% -5.90% 8.63 9.41 7.80% 9.04% Chicago -22.20% 23.70% 7.78 12.37 45.90% 59.00% Marquette 10.40% -16.40% 11.04 8.36 -26.80% -24.28% Des Moines -15.20% 17.90% 8.48 11.79 33.10% 39.03% Omaha 10.80% 74.50% 11.08 17.45 63.70% 57.49% Nashville -49.50% 158.50% 5.05 25.85 208.00% 411.88% Memphis -35.20% 107.50% 6.48 20.75 142.70% 220.22% Knoxville -49.80% 118.70% 5.02 21.87 168.50% 335.66% Little Rock -20% 85.60% 8 18.56 105.60% 132.00% St Louis -40.40% 29.60% 5.96 12.96 70.00% 117.45% OKC -19.30% 40.80% 8.07 14.08 60.10% 74.47% Tulsa -22.70% 49.00% 7.73 14.9 71.70% 92.76% Witchita -13.70% 39.40% 8.63 13.94 53.10% 61.53% Dodge City -27% 2.30% 7.3 10.23 29.30% 40.14% Kansas City -40.90% 43.50% 5.91 14.35 84.40% 142.81% Amarillo -8.70% -1.50% 9.13 9.85 7.20% 7.89% El Paso 19.80% 10.20% 11.98 11.02 -9.60% -8.01% Albuquerque -9.20% 23.90% 9.08 12.39 33.10% 36.45% Los Alamos -11.40% 18.30% 8.86 11.83 29.70% 33.52% Flagstaff -8.90% 9.10% 9.11 10.91 18.00% 19.76% Pueblo 10.50% -13.40% 11.05 8.66 -23.90% -21.63% Denver -0.80% -10.10% 9.92 8.99 -9.30% -9.38% Grand Junction -25.40% 25.50% 7.46 12.55 50.90% 68.23% Cheyenne 13.70% -18.50% 11.37 8.15 -32.20% -28.32% Billings -8.60% 10.00% 9.14 11 18.60% 20.35% Bismarck -3.70% -2.60% 9.63 9.74 1.10% 1.14% Rapid City 5.30% 3.10% 10.53 10.31 -2.20% -2.09% Minneapolis -6.50% -9.20% 9.35 9.08 -2.70% -2.89% Missoula -23.50% 6.30% 7.65 10.63 29.80% 38.95% Boise -23.90% 15.60% 7.61 11.56 39.50% 51.91% Pocatello -18.90% 1.20% 8.11 10.12 20.10% 24.78% Salt Lake City -21.40% 11.20% 7.86 11.12 32.60% 41.48% Reno -10.60% 10.00% 8.94 11 20.60% 23.04% Spokane -20.50% -1.50% 7.95 9.85 19.00% 23.90%
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I was curious to see if the enhancement area you get from subtracting the "top -NAO winters" from the "top +NAO winters" for 1950-51 to 2020-21 resembled the snow pattern last year. The most enhancement is for the deep south to be sure. But the cold push was severe enough last year that the biggest enhancement was in places that see very little snow. You can interpret this as "Chicago averages 46% more snow in the top -NAO winters since 1950 compared to the top +NAO winters since 1950". Pretty sure the light blue area extends into northern Michigan, SE Canada, and northern New England, but I didn't really look. The deep blue area likely goes deeper into the South, but those places often average under five inches of snow or see snow in less than 70% of years, so the data gets weird real fast. My guess is if we have another winter with blocking, the snow would more closely resemble my map than the 2020-21 snow observations. Not a huge fan of the NAO as a temperature indicator for most of the US overall but it does favor snowy conditions in most spots nationally when negative. That's the main reason I look at it. My map is comparing total July-June snow in the years that had -NAO v. +NAO winters, i.e. not just the snow that fell in winter. Both sets of years include a number of warm and cool ENSO events, so shouldn't be a huge factor.
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2021-2022 ENSO
raindancewx replied to StormchaserChuck!'s topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
https://web.archive.org/web/20110902042909/https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/precip/CWlink/MJO/enso.shtml Hmm -
2021-2022 ENSO
raindancewx replied to StormchaserChuck!'s topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
Nino1+2 Nino3 Nino34 Nino4 Week SST SSTA SST SSTA SST SSTA SST SSTA 21JUL2021 22.1 0.6 25.2-0.4 26.8-0.5 28.5-0.4 28JUL2021 22.1 0.8 25.1-0.4 26.7-0.4 28.7-0.1 04AUG2021 21.7 0.7 25.1-0.2 26.7-0.3 28.6-0.2 11AUG2021 20.9 0.1 24.8-0.4 26.5-0.4 28.6-0.2 12AUG2020 19.9-0.9 24.8-0.4 26.4-0.6 28.3-0.5 Still behind last year, especially in Nino 1.2 and Nino 4. Subsurface warmed up a bit this week too on the weekly ENSO PDF the CPC releases each week. The subsurface is still a bit warmer than last year too. For my purposes, 'flat Neutral' in Nino 3.4 is 26.65C in August. So we've just crossed over to cold-Neutral in mid-August. SOI has also collapsed from over +16 in July to about +4 for the past 30 days. +4 or -4 in August is pretty reliable for what the next winter will do back to the 1930s - it's real close right now. -
2021-2022 ENSO
raindancewx replied to StormchaserChuck!'s topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
Warmth is pushing east from the west at all depths. -
Fairly optimistic for a wet Fall-Spring for parts of the West with the PDO currently trending positive (rapidly cooling SSTs east of Japan). My research shows Nino 1.2 leads PDO base state changes if it is "counter" the PDO base state heading into the cold season. Nino 1.2 has been pretty warm. We'll see. This is pretty similar to how the PDO behaved in late 2013 though from the looks of it.
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2021-2022 ENSO
raindancewx replied to StormchaserChuck!'s topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
This tends to happen when Nino 1.2 is warm in cold ENSO late Summer/Fall - see that huge cold trend east of Japan? That ain't the negative PDO folks. Watch the north pacific. -
2021-2022 ENSO
raindancewx replied to StormchaserChuck!'s topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
The Australians think the Indian Ocean Dipole should weaken pretty quickly later this year into winter. Not necessarily a great sign for a big La Nina to continue late winter and spring. Negative IOD is generally the La Nina amplifier/signal. The super +IOD of 2019-20 coincided with a lot of the weird weather that fall/winter, and then it died super fast. -
2021-2022 ENSO
raindancewx replied to StormchaserChuck!'s topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
CFS has La Nina for Oct-Dec, cold-Neutral Jan, then back to pretty warm shortly after. -
2021-2022 ENSO
raindancewx replied to StormchaserChuck!'s topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
I'm more interested in the development and future decay of the event than the actual peak strength. The CFS and Canadian have different ideas with regard to structure. It's a shame the Jamstec isn't back yet. That thing had a good read on SST configurations. I am not trying to setup some super cold La Nina winter when I list the years that have rare outcomes. It's just stuff I look at along the way to winter. To me the big issue with 1967 is simply how cold it gets in Nino 3 relative to the other zones. It's a weird setup in an ENSO sense. I do think a top-five cold December is possible with regard to the 1991-2020 period nationally. A lot of years in the 1960s like December 1960, December 1963 and December 1967 are actually much colder than that. If you just went by current recency profiles in SSTs and US temps, something like 1967, 2011, 2013, 2017 is a decent start for winter. The hurricane season will provide more hints going forward. I don't really worry about the QBO as an index much because it is auto-correlated to the 11-year solar cycle. (~11 years x 12 months = 132 months. x 2 = 264 months) Every ninth 28-29 month QBO cycle should "match" with every second solar cycle by timing: 264 months / 29 months = 9.1 QBO cycles, or "laps" if you think of it as a race to the same spot around a 'track' of what is possible.) More generally, you tend to find good AMO/PDO sst matches at 60 year intervals +/-3 to adjust for ENSO differences I find. So I generally look at years that are 30, 60, 90 years prior (+/-3 per 30 year cycle) and then the years at 11-year intervals first. 1967-->1978-->1989-->2000-->2011-->2022 is pretty close and certainly meets the criteria given that solar cycle length varies from 9-13 years since the SILSO observations started. 1960-->2020 is the 60 year match, and 1960 was also a very hot NW Summer, especially July 1960. -
2021-2022 ENSO
raindancewx replied to StormchaserChuck!'s topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
At this point I'm generally looking at 20-30 years for the winter of the last 100. I'm already close to throwing out some La Ninas just based on hurricane activity which doesn't seem to be super amped, or super low in the Atlantic through mid-August. Last year had nine tropical storms by this date, ten by 8/13. A lot of years like 1983 or 1974 or 1933 or 2017 are at one extreme by ACE/total activity. I like to focus on rareness in various signals. So what has been rare this year? - Record +WPO in Jan/Mar (WPO >1.5 in March: 1977, 1985, 1991, 2010, and probably several years in the 1930s) - Record +PNA in August (PNA >1.5 in August: (1958, 1960, 1977, 1990, 1999, 2004, 2007, 2020) - Record heat and cold in the Southwest in Summer (Highs <=70F, AND >=100F June in ABQ: (0 but 1937 is closest) - Unusual heat Northwest in Summer (1960, 1967, 2013) - Rapidly Rising solar activity in a La Nina (1955, 1956, 1988, 1998, 1999, 2010, 2011) with many near Ninas too. Which years show up at least twice? 1960, 1977, 1999, 2010. That blend kind of looks like a 1967/2013, and those years have been decent SST matches. -
Severe June 2021 Heatwave in Phoenix and Tucson
raindancewx replied to donsutherland1's topic in Climate Change
Presumably no one is that interested in the record rain, and cold weather we've had at some of these sites since the brief June heat wave. Traditionally, the monsoon comes on strong in July when June is very hot. You had multiple days in Phoenix with highs in the low 80s in July and the month finished cold against the current normals. In the totality of observations, this will probably go down as a near average Summer for heat in the Southwest, with both intense high heat and cold highs, with the wetness as the more important feature. It's silly to pretend that the individual days of record shattering heat or unusual coldness (I had highs in the 60s in late June shortly after the near record heat, basically tied for coldest ever for 6/16-7/15) are more important than the overall averages if you're talking about climate. I understand it's very warm in the Northwest. But that's more relevant in a climate sense since that heat has persisted unusually long. Whereas our heat is pretty normal - highs are a bit cold overall if anything locally. 1/1-8/9 90F highs in Albuquerque for 1931-2021. 1 1994-08-09 69 0 2 2011-08-09 68 0 3 1980-08-09 67 0 4 1958-08-09 66 0 5 2012-08-09 63 0 - 1956-08-09 63 0 7 2020-08-09 61 0 - 2018-08-09 61 0 9 2001-08-09 60 0 - 1953-08-09 60 0 11 2016-08-09 59 0 12 1996-08-09 58 0 - 1969-08-09 58 0 14 1983-08-09 57 0 - 1978-08-09 57 0 - 1977-08-09 57 0 - 1952-08-09 57 0 - 1934-08-09 57 0 19 2005-08-09 56 0 - 2000-08-09 56 0 - 1981-08-09 56 0 - 1974-08-09 56 0 - 1964-08-09 56 0 - 1951-08-09 56 0 - 1942-08-09 56 0 26 2003-08-09 55 0 - 1993-08-09 55 0 - 1984-08-09 55 0 - 1979-08-09 55 0 - 1963-08-09 55 0 - 1954-08-09 55 0 32 1970-08-09 54 0 - 1959-08-09 54 0 - 1947-08-09 54 0 35 1966-08-09 53 0 - 1961-08-09 53 0 - 1960-08-09 53 0 - 1946-08-09 53 1 39 2017-08-09 52 0 - 1982-08-09 52 0 41 1989-08-09 51 0 - 1938-08-09 51 0 - 1936-08-09 51 0 44 2019-08-09 50 0 - 1987-08-09 50 0 - 1943-08-09 50 0 47 2014-08-09 49 0 - 2013-08-09 49 0 - 2002-08-09 49 0 - 1957-08-09 49 0 51 2021-08-09 47 0 - 2006-08-09 47 0 - 1995-08-09 47 0 - 1972-08-09 47 0 - 1945-08-09 47 0 - 1937-08-09 47 0 57 1939-08-09 46 1 58 1948-08-09 45 0 59 2008-08-09 44 0 - 2004-08-09 44 0 - 1975-08-09 44 0 62 2010-08-09 43 0 - 2009-08-09 43 0 - 1990-08-09 43 0 - 1967-08-09 43 0 - 1933-08-09 43 0 67 1935-08-09 42 0 68 1976-08-09 41 0 - 1968-08-09 41 0 - 1962-08-09 41 0 - 1950-08-09 41 0 - 1931-08-09 41 0 73 2015-08-09 40 0 - 1973-08-09 40 0 - 1971-08-09 40 0 - 1949-08-09 40 0 - 1940-08-09 40 0 78 2007-08-09 39 0 - 1965-08-09 39 0 - 1955-08-09 39 0 - 1944-08-09 39 0 - 1932-08-09 39 0 83 1985-08-09 38 0 84 1998-08-09 37 0 - 1997-08-09 37 0 - 1992-08-09 37 0 - 1991-08-09 37 0 - 1988-08-09 37 0 89 1986-08-09 33 0 90 1941-08-09 30 0 91 1999-08-09 20 0- 33 replies
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There were a lot of signs last Fall that the pattern was going to be pretty special at times. 2007-08 never matched up super well for timing in the winter, but you did have a massive cold dump into the US from 1/16-2/15 that doesn't really show up if you just look at Jan/Feb individually. Main difference without looking is the ridging in the SE pushed it somewhat further West than in February 2021. I was annoyed at the severity of the cold, I thought I was pretty bullish with half the US 5-10 degrees below average for two weeks using the 2007-08 analog as the basis for late winter cold. We went though this last year too - but the cold ENSOs after two El Ninos all tend to feature several incredible cold snaps nationally in winter and spring. Last year was no exception. You have amazingly potent cold snaps in 1931-32, 1959-60, 1970-71, 1978-79, 1988-89, even 2016-17 if you know when to look by timing.
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raindancewx replied to StormchaserChuck!'s topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
The patterns nationally are still reminiscent of 1967 to me - which makes sense given that it is probably the closest SST match for 2021 overall. -
Record PNA of 4.00 on 8/6/21 obliterates old record
raindancewx replied to GaWx's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
PNA over 1.5 in August from 1950-2020: 1958, 1960, 1977, 1990, 1999, 2004, 2007, 2020 if the month remains very positive. Some other close to +1.5 years include 2011 and 2014. PNA+ in August correlations: Sept: How NE US & SW US. Strong correlation to warmth SE Canada & NY state. Oct: Warm signal West. Strong warm signal for CA/AZ/NV. (similar to -WPO in Feb-Apr, although not in Oct) Nov: Warm signal nationally - but weak. (Note last year is on the list above and was very warm in November 2020). Dec: Cold signal for NM/CO/TX, Central Plains, Midwest, NJ/PA - all weak Jan: Warm signal SW US/New England - all weak Feb: Warm signal NW US / cold Northern Plains - all weak Mar: Cold signal Midwest - all weak Apr: Warm signal TX/NM, cold CA - all weak. May: Cold signal North & West, hot signal SE - strongest in Texas. Precip: Sept - erratic at best Oct - weak dry signal Rockies & Texas & Ozarks Nov - weak dry signal most of the US Dec - wet signal SW & Midwest / TN Valley (strong for Northern NM mountains) Jan - erratic Feb - wet signal SW & Plains. Looks like the +WPO signal really. Mar - wet SE US. dry Northern Plains (strong) and Rockies Apr - wet coasts, dry NM/AZ/TX May - wet NW/SE, dry SW -
2021-2022 ENSO
raindancewx replied to StormchaserChuck!'s topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
We haven't had it in a while, but there are a lot of older years when the SSTs in Nino 3/3.4 are very cold, but only very briefly. That's my fear for the La Nina consensus - it gets very cold again in Nino 3/3.4 in the Fall, and then it sharply weakens. It's more common for the sea surface temps to get very cold/warm, but only briefly when the peak anomalies are closer to Halloween or Thanksgiving than Christmas (ala the observations of the fisherman per normal ENSO). -
One very simple rule for SSTs is that from 1950-2020, you've never had Nino 3.4 drop by more than 1C from September to December-February. We're at 26.7C on the weeklies week one of August. A moderate La Nina would be 25.5C or colder in winter. Will August finish at 26.5C or colder? Possibly. Will September be below 26.5C - I would say so. But keep in mind, even though a 1C drop has been observed from September to winter, most cooling trends from September to Dec-Feb end up far weaker than that in practice. Last September was 25.88C, and the winter was 25.58C. If you use last year as an example, the big spikes up/down in the subsurface tend to lead the surface peaks by 3-6 weeks. So the big drop off now, once it stops, indicates we might see another ENSO peak prior to 11/1. Against the long-term averages, Nino 3.4 was coldest in November 2020 (25.3C v. 26.5C long-term average) after the subsurface was coldest in October.
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2021-2022 ENSO
raindancewx replied to StormchaserChuck!'s topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
One thing I like to do this time of year to start to winnow down analogs is to look at objectively good tropical matches in Dec-Feb for the prior winter that are still objectively good matches in July. The winters of 1966-67, 2000-01, 2010-11 were close winter SST matches in the tropics, and 1967, 2001, and 2011 are still close in July. 1966-67 was probably the best of the three overall for US conditions, but we had an exaggerated version of that pattern in winter. Winter 2020-21 was kind of opposite the very cold Dec 2010/2000 pattern, which is I 'knew' would be unlikely heading into last winter. The current July, and August pattern so far pretty is close to 1967 nationally. The blend of 1967-68, 2001-02, 2011-12 is a very weak La Nina in winter that is coldest in Nino 3, warmest in Nino 4, and then weakens sharply in Feb-Mar from the east. You can see the big -PDO signature with very warm water near Japan, and some cold water by the equator in the Atlantic like we've had in recent weeks. I don't think this look is quite right though, and I don't think the US temperature pattern it produces is correct either. We're still not that close to long-term La Nina conditions at the surface. Nino 3.4 needs to be around 26.15C in August to be even -0.5C against 1951-2010 averages. Nino 1.2 remaining warm into October against a -PDO base state in March-August tends to precede a flip to a more +PDO state in Nov-Apr. Something that needs to be watched. Nino1+2 Nino3 Nino34 Nino4 Week SST SSTA SST SSTA SST SSTA SST SSTA 09JUN2021 23.2-0.0 26.7-0.0 27.8-0.0 28.9-0.1 16JUN2021 23.3 0.4 26.0-0.5 27.2-0.5 28.8-0.2 23JUN2021 22.9 0.2 26.3-0.0 27.6-0.0 29.0 0.0 30JUN2021 22.6 0.3 26.2 0.0 27.5-0.1 28.8-0.1 07JUL2021 22.2 0.1 26.0-0.0 27.4-0.0 28.9-0.1 14JUL2021 22.2 0.4 25.9 0.1 27.2-0.1 28.6-0.4 21JUL2021 22.1 0.6 25.2-0.4 26.8-0.5 28.5-0.4 28JUL2021 22.1 0.8 25.1-0.4 26.7-0.4 28.7-0.1 04AUG2021 21.7 0.7 25.1-0.2 26.7-0.3 28.6-0.2 05AUG2020 19.8-1.3 24.6-0.7 26.3-0.7 28.4-0.4 I do think these years are likely to continue to watch well to 2021 in Nino 3.4 through at least December. You can see August should be near the speculative 26.5C going by week one. At 26.1C in September that would be the initiation of the La Nina if the blend isn't too cold. The current big time drop off in the subsurface will likely flatten or reverse a bit in a few weeks, as that water works up to the surface. I think you'll see a pattern fake in late September-October when that happens before a transition in November. My guess is this is another cold ENSO with a relatively early surface peak. The 2020-21 event was much more impressive in the Fall than the Winter by historical standards. Something like a top 1/3 cold event in October or November, and then well below that by the end of the winter. -
2021-2022 ENSO
raindancewx replied to StormchaserChuck!'s topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
It's a bit disingenuous to say we're ahead of last year. The warmth from April-June has to wash out fully first. More relevant is how the trend is from last year anyway. The way the similar cold below the surface has arrived in July is completely opposite last year both at depth (the 0-300m readings) and in an 2D East/West, North/South sense. The La Nina of 2020-21 was really an April-March thing in terms of the subsurface. This event is probably an August or September start at this point, pending how long it lasts. The subsurface last year featured several giant rises and dips that coincided with huge changes in the seasonal US weather pattern. It's not a coincidence that the huge cold periods in the central/western US coincided with a flip from declining heat to rising heat both times (Oct and Feb were the flips in trend). One reason I had liked 2007-08 last year was for the double peak in the subsurface, in October and then January, it was very much like 2020-21. The idea that last year was a Moderate La Nina is still kind of silly to me, when the "-1.3" or whatever CPC uses for 2020-21 is based on a much warmer average for Dec-Feb than earlier La Ninas. In terms of actual SSTs, by coldest month or coldest month against constant averages, last year was warmer than roughly half of La Ninas. It's more of a weak event than a moderate one at the surface. Years like 2010-11 and 2011-12 had much more impressive peaks, especially given they followed a much stronger El Nino in 2009-10. The subsurface was colder at the peak of the 2011-12, 2010-11, 2008-09, 2007-08, 1999-00, 1998-99, 1995-96, 1988-89, 1983-84 events compared to 2020-21. That's almost every La Nina since 1980... -
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raindancewx replied to StormchaserChuck!'s topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
Compared to last year, Nino 3 (and 1.2 also) are still much warmer at the surface, while Nino 4 is colder. The ONI values / raw SST data for July updated, so the matches above are the closest objective matches. I then compared the observations to the 1951-2010 average for the blend, and 2021 itself. It won't last long in Nino 3.4, but 1986 is currently the top match for the three zones. The SOI/SST matches I've shown recently, including 1967, 2011, 2013, 1979, etc, have all shown up again. These years are generally cold Augusts, so it will be interesting to see how that plays out. -
2021-2022 ENSO
raindancewx replied to StormchaserChuck!'s topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
These are the top SOI matches to 2021 for May-July from 1931-2020 (+3.9, +0.0, +16.3 in 2021 for each month respectively). I had used Spring 1979 as an analog for Spring 2021, given that the cold-ENSO 1978-79 winter followed two El Ninos near/following the solar minimum (1976-77, 1977-78) and had ~record +NAO/AO values in November before transitioning to a huge cold period in late winter. NAO was +3.0 or something insane in Nov 1978 before dying later on. Was pretty similar in 2020 and I knew that by the time I did the Spring Outlook in February. The 7th closest SOI match (really a ~ three-way tie between 1936, 1939, and 1960) is 1960, and the 1959-60 winter was also very similar at times (Dec/Feb) for temp patterns nationally, and 1960 has worked sporadically as a match in Spring/Summer 2021. If you don't know, 1936 and 2011 are both very hot Summers nationally, so interesting to see them both show up as top matches. July 1960 had incredible heat in the Northwest, similar to 2021. The "look" that is supposed to happen in August nationally is fairly similar to August 1939, 1936 blended toward 1939, and then maybe a touch colder overall. SOI May June July Distance (less = closer to 2021) 1979 +4.0 +4.5 +13.6 (warm-Neutral winter) (7.2 off) 2011 +2.1 +0.9 +9.1 (La Nina winter) (9.8 off) 2010 +10.5 +1.3 +18.7 (La Nina winter) (10.3 off) 1974 +10.6 +1.7 +11.1 (La Nina winter) (13.5 off) 1939 -0.4 -1.8 +7.5 (El Nino winter) (14.9 off) 1936 +4.7 -1.8 +3.9 (warm-Neutral winter) (15.0 off) Blend: +5.3 +0.8 +10.7 2021 +3.9 +0.0 +16.3