That is exactly what I am driving at....yea, PNA is stochastic and prone to shorter term wave breaking, however, we are seeing the incongruency even at a seasonal level. This is something I have noticed in doing seasonal outlooks....you can't just assume positive correlation in the Pacific. You need to dig in and unearth more esoteric relationships, such as the tendency for east-based la nina to exert a powerful RNA presence in December. I think this is why la nina events of that ilk tend to improve later in the season, more like an el nino, as opposed to canonical la nina events, which tend to be front loaded. It was right there in neon lights within my data last season, but I completely missed the forest through the trees, and forecast that RNA pulse in January, instead. Dumb, considering my primary ENSO analog was 2010-2011, which was a harbinger of that very behavior.