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TX Panhandle/Oklahoma Snowstorm


LocoAko

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I know there was some discussion in the NE OK/MO thread, but with NW OK looking to take the brunt of this storm, I figured we could have a dedicated thread to it. The models are still displaying some differences, particularly on the SE side of the snow field and how it may affect OKC metro. (For example, the NAM clown maps show 8-10" in northern Cleveland County and <1" in southern Cleveland -- http://wxcaster4.com/nam/CONUS1_ETA212_SFC_ACCUMSNOWFALL_48HR.gif -- so take that FWIW). 

 

As per some of wxwatcher91's tweets (available at @splillo), some of the soundings just NW of OKC in the El Reno area are awfully favorable for some heavy snow:

 

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In addition, he also noted the frontogenetic forcing implied by the NAM in NW OK for mid-day tomorrow:

 

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The current forecast graphic from WFO OUN looks like this, but I wouldn't be surprised to see amounts upped a bit in northwest OK:

 

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Current forecast has OKC mixing by tomorrow afternoon and becoming snow after dark.

 

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Nice to see the GFS move toward the more generous NAM on QPF this morning. The near-surface thermal profiles are rather shaky with this event, and the diurnal timing isn't helping matters. It will be interesting to see whether evaporational cooling can overcome this throughout the area of heavier precip, or if sig accumulations are confined to the N Panhandles and far NW OK. The ECMWF has been adamant all along that 2m temperatures will be above freezing for almost everyone.

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Nice to see the GFS move toward the more generous NAM on QPF this morning. The near-surface thermal profiles are rather shaky with this event, and the diurnal timing isn't helping matters. It will be interesting to see whether evaporational cooling can overcome this throughout the area of heavier precip, or if sig accumulations are confined to the N Panhandles and far NW OK. The ECMWF has been adamant all along that 2m temperatures will be above freezing for almost everyone.

Yeah, surface temperatures aren't pretty on the ECMWF. Looks sloppy for sure. If only there was surface wet-bulb output for the ECMWF. :lol:

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00z NAM forecast soundings show all snow from 15z onward as far S as OUN, which if taken literally would mean we get hammered with 6"+. The RAP isn't even close, with 2m temperatures in the upper 30s even at full saturation in the afternoon. Probably one of the worst shifts you could ever work at the NWS FO tonight.

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00z NAM forecast soundings show all snow from 15z onward as far S as OUN, which if taken literally would mean we get hammered with 6"+. The RAP isn't even close, with 2m temperatures in the upper 30s even at full saturation in the afternoon. Probably one of the worst shifts you could ever work at the NWS FO tonight.

 

Oh wow, I hadn't even noticed the change in the thermodynamics - I had only noticed that it slashed precipitation over a wide area (par for the course). Wow. 

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Oh wow, I hadn't even noticed the change in the thermodynamics - I had only noticed that it slashed precipitation over a wide area (par for the course). Wow. 

 

The snowfall algorithms on TwisterData and IWM are really stingy, but looking at the soundings, I'm not sure why. The surface temperatures are still shaky right here in Norman, but especially once you get to OKC north and west, the entire column is subfreezing all day on this run. I guess it does have a lot of the QPF between 12z-15z when the entire lowest kilometer is isothermal right at freezing, so ratios may be exceptionally terrible in that case.

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Well alrighty, then! :D Not something you want to have to do 12 hours before the start of an event... Eek.

 

 

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGENATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NORMAN OK942 PM CST MON FEB 11 2013OKZ008-013-019-020-023>029-035-036-038-TXZ083-121145-/O.EXB.KOUN.WS.A.0001.130212T1300Z-130213T0200Z/KAY-NOBLE-LOGAN-PAYNE-CADDO-CANADIAN-OKLAHOMA-LINCOLN-GRADY-MCCLAIN-CLEVELAND-KIOWA-JACKSON-COMANCHE-HARDEMAN-INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...PONCA CITY...PERRY...GUTHRIE...STILLWATER...ANADARKO...YUKON...EL RENO...MUSTANG...OKLAHOMA CITY...CHANDLER...CHICKASHA...PURCELL...NORMAN...MOORE...HOBART...ALTUS...LAWTON...QUANAH...CHILLICOTHE942 PM CST MON FEB 11 2013...WINTER STORM WATCH IN EFFECT FROM 7 AM CST TUESDAY THROUGHTUESDAY EVENING...THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN NORMAN HAS ISSUED A WINTER STORMWATCH...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM 7 AM CST TUESDAY THROUGH TUESDAYEVENING.* MAIN IMPACT: RAIN IS EXPECTED TO BEGIN IN CENTRAL OKLAHOMA  BEFORE SUNRISE TUESDAY MORNING. RAIN IS EXPECTED TO MIX WITH AND  CHANGE TO SNOW BEFORE NOON. SNOW ACCUMULATION OF 3 TO 6 INCHES  IS POSSIBLE ACROSS CENTRAL OKLAHOMA.* OTHER IMPACTS:SNOW ACCUMULATIONS MAY RESULT IN SLICK AND  HAZARDOUS ROADWAYS TUESDAY.PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...KEEP UP WITH THE LATEST WEATHER INFORMATION...ESPECIALLY IF YOUPLAN TO TRAVEL.
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Can anyone explain why the models have been insistent on keeping the the bulk of the heaviest precipitation in northern Oklahoma? Is this due to the models picking up on the dry boundary layer across Kansas or something else.

Most of the strong moist frontogenesis which will be driving this event is located a bit farther S.

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00z NAM forecast soundings show all snow from 15z onward as far S as OUN, which if taken literally would mean we get hammered with 6"+. The RAP isn't even close, with 2m temperatures in the upper 30s even at full saturation in the afternoon. Probably one of the worst shifts you could ever work at the NWS FO tonight.

RAP soundings look suspect to me. Not sure what it is doing, but it is trying to depict a dry adiabatic boundary layer during the heaviest precip within the CCB (if you want to call it a CCB)....doesn't make sense.

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So if the frontogenesis was stronger over a larger area, the precip would be able to expand further north, correct?

Well, perhaps. A lot of different things could theoretically allow for precip to spread farther N, but there is a theoretical limit in this scenario based on the split stream flow pattern and horizontal deformation farther N...which will effectively form a rather sharp moisture/precip gradient. If the upper levels were different (less northern stream interference leading to more of a cutoff flow and possibly stronger cyclogenesis), it is possible things could spread farther N.

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00z RGEM:

Pretty similar to the NAM overall, not quite as wet though, which is probably closer to reality than the NAM which is outputting widespread areas of greater than 1.00". That said...a narrow band of 1.00" is definitely possible if the upper PV core can intersect the low level front. There should be some pretty stout convective banding tomorrow.

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00z RGEM:

Pretty similar to the NAM overall, not quite as wet though, which is probably closer to reality than the NAM which is outputting widespread areas of greater than 1.00". That said...a narrow band of 1.00" is definitely possible if the upper PV core can intersect the low level front. There should be some pretty stout convective banding tomorrow.

 

Re: the convective banding, that's a hallmark of almost every decent snow event we get around here. Inevitably the spatial liquid equivalent distribution is much more banded in a feast-or-famine fashion than model QPF. I don't think the area of 6"+ will be as large as the NAM shows, but someone in OK could jackpot at 10".

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MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 0154   NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK   0344 AM CST TUE FEB 12 2013      AREAS AFFECTED...TX PANHANDLE/WESTERN OK      CONCERNING...HEAVY SNOW       VALID 120944Z - 121415Z      SUMMARY...MODERATE/HEAVY SNOW WILL BECOME INCREASINGLY PREVALENT   ACROSS MUCH OF THE TX PANHANDLE INTO WESTERN OK THROUGH THE   EARLY/MID MORNING HOURS. SNOWFALL RATES WILL REACH/POTENTIALLY   EXCEED 1 IN/HR THROUGH 12Z-15Z...WITH AS MUCH AS 2 IN/HR LOCALIZED   RATES POSSIBLE FOR RELATIVELY SHORT DURATIONS.      DISCUSSION...OVERNIGHT WATER VAPOR IMAGERY IS INDICATIVE OF AN   EAST-NORTHEASTWARD SHIFTING UPPER TROUGH CENTERED OVER SOUTHERN   NM/FAR SOUTHWEST TX. THE INFLUENCE OF THIS TROUGH...IN CONJUNCTION   WITH WARM ADVECTION AND INCREASINGLY STRONG UPPER DIVERGENCE VIA A   STRONG POLAR JET EXIT REGION /100-125 KT AT 300 MB/...WILL   CONTRIBUTE TO INCREASING PRECIPITATION RATES/SATURATION AND   RESULTANT INCREASINGLY MORE WIDESPREAD MODERATE/HEAVY SNOW THROUGH   THE EARLY MORNING HOURS.      AS OF 09Z...ZERO/SUB-ZERO SURFACE WET BULB TEMPERATURES ARE PRESENT   ACROSS ALL OF THE TX PANHANDLE/PORTIONS OF THE TX SOUTH   PLAINS...INTO WESTERN OK AREAS NEAR/NORTH OF I-40. THESE COLDER   TEMPERATURES ROUGHLY COINCIDE WITH AREAS ALONG AND NORTH-NORTHWEST   OF A SURFACE INVERTED TROUGH/ZONE OF LOW-LEVEL CONFLUENCE THAT   ANGLES FROM THE TX SOUTH PLAINS TO EAST-CENTRAL OK. THE ONSET OF   STRONGER FORCING FOR ASCENT/PRECIPITATION RATES SHOULD QUICKLY ERODE   TEMPERATURE-DEWPOINT SPREADS THAT ARE AS HIGH AS 10-15F AS OF   09Z...GENERALLY BY 12Z ACROSS THE MAJORITY OF THE TX PANHANDLE AND   PERHAPS FAR WESTERN OK. WHILE SOME SLEET WILL BE POSSIBLE INITIALLY   /ESPECIALLY WITH CONVECTIVE ELEMENTS/...INCREASINGLY MODERATE/HEAVY   SNOW WILL BE DOMINANT.      CONSEQUENTIAL ASCENT/QUICK SATURATION ASIDE...SNOWFALL RATES WILL   LIKELY BE ENHANCED BY CONVECTIVE ELEMENTS AS BAND/S OF HEAVIER   PRECIPITATION EVOLVE. ISOLATED-SCATTERED TSTMS ARE READILY OCCURRING   AS OF 09Z ACROSS THE TX SOUTH PLAINS INTO NORTHWEST TX. COMBINED   WITH INCREASING MID-LEVEL FRONTOGENESIS /800-600 MB/...WEAK UPRIGHT   INSTABILITY AND/OR SLANTWISE INSTABILITY ACROSS THE TX   PANHANDLE/WESTERN OK WILL LIKELY ENHANCE SNOWFALL RATES TO 1-2 IN/HR   THROUGH 12Z-15Z ACROSS THE TX PANHANDLE INTO FAR WESTERN OK. THIS   INCLUDES THE POTENTIAL FOR MULTIPLE/CONSOLIDATING HEAVY SNOW   BANDS...AS WELL AS THUNDERSNOW.      ..GUYER.. 02/12/2013
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Only a couple more runs of the HRRR before it's taken down for maintenance today, so might as well throw its 09z run into the mix.

 

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Current 2m wet bulbs on the Mesonet suggest the real accumulations may stay just W of the metro area. Not sure about that 12-18" bullseye, but ranchers have got to be loving the current radar. I think the bullseye will be in that area, but more on the order of 9-12".

 

Already 6" in Dalhart, after some thundersnow reports from that area overnight.

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Only a couple more runs of the HRRR before it's taken down for maintenance today, so might as well throw its 09z run into the mix.

 

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Current 2m wet bulbs on the Mesonet suggest the real accumulations may stay just W of the metro area. Not sure about that 12-18" bullseye, but ranchers have got to be loving the current radar. I think the bullseye will be in that area, but more on the order of 9-12".

 

Already 6" in Dalhart, after some thundersnow reports from that area overnight.

Seems reasonable. 12z sounding for Norman depicts an agonizingly high 3400' WBZ height and matches with local radar melting heights. NAM tries to bring in snow by midday, but it will likely be dependent upon convective banding being in the right area at the right time, probably at best mixing to large, wet flakes. Will be interesting to see if Norman can get sufficiently heavy rates to accumulate something.

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MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 0155
   NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
   0758 AM CST TUE FEB 12 2013
  
   AREAS AFFECTED...TX PANHANDLE TO WESTERN/NORTH-CENTRAL OK
  
   CONCERNING...HEAVY SNOW
  
   VALID 121358Z - 121800Z
  
   SUMMARY...MODERATE/HEAVY SNOW WILL CONTINUE TO DEVELOP
   EAST-NORTHEASTWARD FROM THE TX PANHANDLE INTO WESTERN/NORTH-CENTRAL
   OK THROUGH 18Z. SNOWFALL RATES SHOULD CONTINUE TO REACH 1 IN/HR
   THROUGH EARLY AFTERNOON...WITH LOCALLY HIGHER RATES POSSIBLE FOR
   RELATIVELY SHORT DURATIONS.
  
   DISCUSSION...IN ASSOCIATION WITH AN EAST-NORTHEAST ADVANCING UPPER
   TROUGH OVER NM/APPROACHING FAR WEST TX EARLY THIS MORNING...DEEP
   LAYER ASCENT VIA UPPER JET EXIT REGION/WARM ADVECTION CONTINUES TO
   CONTRIBUTE TO AN EAST-NORTHEASTWARD DEVELOPMENT OF PRECIPITATION
   ACROSS FAR NORTH TX/TX PANHANDLE INTO WESTERN/SOUTHERN OK. AS OF
   13Z...ZERO/SUB-ZERO SURFACE WET BULB TEMPERATURES ARE EVIDENT ACROSS
   THE MAJORITY OF THE TX PANHANDLE AND INTO NORTHWEST OK /AREAS NORTH
   OF I-40/. THESE COLDER TEMPERATURES CONTINUE TO ROUGHLY COINCIDE
   WITH AREAS THAT ARE ALONG AND NORTH-NORTHWEST OF A WEAK SURFACE
   INVERTED TROUGH/ZONE OF LOW-LEVEL CONFLUENCE.
  
   ALTHOUGH THE 12Z OBSERVED SOUNDING FROM NORMAN WAS INDICATIVE OF AN
   ABOVE-FREEZING WET BULB PROFILE BELOW 850 MB...THE ONSET OF STRONGER
   FORCING FOR ASCENT/HIGHER PRECIPITATION RATES AND LOW-LEVEL COLD
   ADVECTION SHOULD CONTINUE TO LEAD TO A GENERAL WEST TO EAST
   TRANSITION OF RAIN TO SNOW INTO WEST-CENTRAL/NORTH-CENTRAL OK
   THROUGH MIDDAY. THIS ASIDE...SOME SLEET WILL BE POSSIBLE WITH
   PRECIPITATION ONSET AND/OR EXISTING CONVECTIVE ELEMENTS ACROSS
   SOUTH-CENTRAL OK.
  
   DEEP FORCING/SATURATION ASIDE...MID-LEVEL FRONTOGENESIS /800-600
   MB/...ALONG WITH WEAK UPRIGHT INSTABILITY AND/OR SLANTWISE
   INSTABILITY...WILL LIKELY ENHANCE SNOWFALL WITH RATES OF 1+ IN/HR
   POSSIBLE INTO EARLY AFTERNOON. THIS WILL ESPECIALLY BE THE CASE
   ACROSS THE EASTERN TX PANHANDLE INTO WEST-CENTRAL OK AND PERHAPS
   NORTH-CENTRAL OK BY EARLY AFTERNOON.
  
   ..GUYER.. 02/12/2013
  
  
   ATTN...WFO...OUN...LUB...AMA...

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