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HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MOUNT HOLLY NJ

407 AM EST WED JAN 16 2013

DEZ002>004-MDZ015-019-020-NJZ021>024-170915-

KENT-INLAND SUSSEX-DELAWARE BEACHES-QUEEN ANNES-TALBOT-CAROLINE-

CUMBERLAND-ATLANTIC-CAPE MAY-ATLANTIC COASTAL CAPE MAY-

407 AM EST WED JAN 16 2013

THIS HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK IS FOR CENTRAL DELAWARE...SOUTHERN

DELAWARE...NORTHEAST MARYLAND AND SOUTHERN NEW JERSEY.

DAYS TWO THROUGH SEVEN...THURSDAY THROUGH TUESDAY.

RAIN CHANGING TO SNOW IS POSSIBLE LATE ON THURSDAY. HEAVIER

PRECIPITATION COULD PRODUCE SNOW ACCUMULATIONS UPWARDS OF 2 INCHES.

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For friday's event (someone else make the thread, ive failed miserably), the GEFS individuals show the cut off somewhere between the delmarva to 95. Should be a pretty sharp gradient wherever the precip decides to shut off.

Could be very painful to watch in you live in SE PA again(for the umpteenth time this year)....

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mt. Holly;s afd:

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FXUS61 KPHI 161143

AFDPHI

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MOUNT HOLLY NJ

643 AM EST WED JAN 16 2013

.SYNOPSIS...

.

.LONG TERM /THURSDAY THROUGH TUESDAY/...

A SOUTHERN STREAM WAVE OF LOW PRESSURE WILL FORM TO THE SOUTHWEST OF

THE REGION AND BEGIN TO TREK TOWARDS OUR REGION ON THURSDAY.

NORTHERN STREAM ENERGY LOOKS TO PHASE WITH THE WEAKENING SOUTHERN

STREAM SYSTEM AS ITS SURFACE WAVE RIDES ALONG THE OLD BAROCLINIC

ZONE TO OUR SOUTH AND EAST. MODELS ARE SPITTING OUT PLENTY OF QPF

WITH THIS SYSTEM, ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT AS THE SYSTEM IMPACTING THE

REGION TODAY. THE NORTHERN EXTENT OF THE PRECIPITATION, BASED ON THE

TRACKING OF THE LOW, IS SOMETHING THE MODELS ARE HAVING A VERY HARD

TIME TRYING TO RESOLVE. THERE ARE SOME MINOR INITIALIZATION ISSUES

WITH ALL THE 00Z MODELS THIS MORNING, MAINLY THE THERMAL FIELDS,

WHICH WILL HAVE A HUGE IMPACT ON WHAT THE PTYPE WOULD BE ON THURSDAY.

WITH THE INITIAL ONSET OF PRECIPITATION STARTING THURSDAY MORNING WE

CAN EXPECT MOSTLY RAIN ACROSS THE DELMARVA REGION. AS HEAVIER

PRECIPITATION MOVES IN, WITHIN AN AREA OF VERY STRONG MID-LEVEL

FRONTOGENETIC FORCING, THE COLUMN WILL RAPIDLY COOL AND A CHANGEOVER

TO ALL SNOW IS EXPECTED BY THURSDAY EVENING. MUCH LIKE THE PREVIOUS

EVENTS, THE FORCING ALOFT IS VERY STRONG AND VERY VERY PROGRESSIVE.

THIS SYSTEM WILL NOT SIT LONG ACROSS OUR SOUTHERN ZONES BEFORE

MOVING OUT TO SEA. THOUGH IT WILL BE A QUICK GLANCING BLOW THIS

COULD BE THE FIRST ACCUMULATING SNOWFALL OF THE SEASON FOR THE

SOUTHERN DELMARVA.

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Ok, I can take my foot out of my mouth, gotta give props to the can ggem (even though it now has the flattest solution :blink: ) to showing this potential when the other models were way flatter and more progressive. That was quite a nostalgic northwest jump by the gfs on its 00z run.  I have been off for a couple of days, so cant see all of the details from home, there will not be warm air aloft with this one,  just a question of bringing precipitation into the colder air.

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its amazing comparing 0z vort and the 12z vort right now how much stronger it has trended. The issue is though, the track hasn't changed of the vort. Need that to trend north some. The vort track is not a good track for getting precip into phl and north and west with that buzzsaw sitting their. Now if that pv shifted north somewhat it would then maybe allow the coastal to track closer. Ideally you want that vort to track north of norfolk instead of hatteras.

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south jersey gets a nice 3-5 on this run... i Think like .1-.15 gets to phl also. The vort def trended better, but it needs jump further north if the river on east sees anything.

 

Negative, those ncep maps and other maps show more than what really occurs. 12z nam extracted is .02 of rain for philly, though it did increase from .01 lol

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fwiw the 9z sref progs are pretty darn good. Almost gets 50% to philly of seeing an inch

 

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That's going to be painful for me, hopefully I can see some flakes, but that cut off is pretty darn sharp.

 

i think its going to be painful for a lot of people on the west side of the delaware river. 

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Thanks, figured the surface would need to cool some, but precip timing is good (mostly overnite) to get accumlated frozen.

Agree on both points.  Most of our snow starts like this.  I think we may see about 50% of the qpf spent to cool the BL and surfaces.  That could still be a nice 2-4" event for all of us, maybe more inland.  Waiting for afternoon models to get excited.

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