Typhoon Tip

its interesting to come in here and see this discussion, because I'm debating snow totals with my group of friends in an IM that don't really do weather stuff... anyway, I'm saying that I maxed here in Ayer at my place at 14.5" and it doesn't jive with the 18 to 21" being reported around me. Either: someone ended up in a weird nadir total; someone doesn't know how to measure snow depth; someone is lying... Not sure which of those, but I just measure the stack depth ... I didn't clear anything every 6 hours. I just have a perfect snow board region that is out of the wind and it lain with 14.5" new as of midnight when I crashed, and there was no evidence of accumulation when I awoke this morning. So, I am left with a quandary as to how much really fell: my 14.5" ..or, the average of 18 to 20" ... I really don't believe the latter, however. I suppose it is possible that there was a 4 to 6" gap that shielded just my street, if not my yard...from the rest of the town...but somehow I find that less likely too - heh

It's cat in a bag mentality... They do that, cats will "hide" by jamming their heads in small paper bags, while their whole entire ass end and tail stick out ... Only in this paradigm, the user's storm-head is jammed up in their backyard, and instead of thinking about the entire panoply of the storm extent sticking out side their immediate observable distance to the tree lines... they've formulated what the storm was within that observable distance.

That's weird. ... after descending to almost 27 my temp here in Ayer has popped back to 30. The snow is less fluffy again ... are we wrapping warm air back west? huh

There will always be a smattering of people that were unfortunate enough to arrive upon the end of an event with lower snow totals, less wind, and rarely low visibility ... ready to inform us all that the storm was not a very big one ...

You're surprised by that Scott ? ... there is no test for rational minded individuals when joining this confederacy -

Nah...not capture. I'm actually thinking this makes sense that there's less... That as part of the consternation that the models were fusing total vorticity so deeply then "un" fusing ... but this way, there's not really much of that... So that could be the answer: the models were doing too much to begin with. just a thought -

that's what this thing appears to be doing ... really slamming the door that separates the storm raging in the E to the relative quiescence taken over out west. That N-S oriented band out there that demarcates the two worlds... you could almost walk out from under it's steady S, to nothing but the dim orb of the sun.

yeah... For a winter storm enthusiast that's a tough pill to swallow. I had something similar to that take place during that "Boxing Day" storm up my way in northern Middlesex County up along Rt 2 a few years ago. That storm was a big presence in a few runs at deep mid range that got lost and almost flattened down to nothing, only to come come back to prominence as a major major threat inside of 36 hours! Went from nothing to blizzard in real short order... by the time we finally getting our heads wrapped around the idea that a life-threatening big time monster cryo bomb was about to unleash the end scene of The Shining on all of SNE ... we were getting royally shafted by weird dry air entrainment/evaporation notch in surface verification that seemed to collocate by horrible luck alone, with some sort of DVM node associated with a standing g-wave. That nifty little atmospheric collaboration gave us 3 or 4" of chalk dust when many areas literally only 10 to 15 miles SE were nearing 20... I mean it happens. These storms that are major but less than top dogs come along with idiosyncratic butt bangs that seem almost personal - haha...for lack of better emotive commiseration. The big dogs? They tend to homogenize the huge impact more evenly... It's just that you can't bother trying to rationalize that reality with someone under the prolific bands because they'll honk like a donkey to defined the storm as something out of the bible. That's why we have climate and historian specialist that come in during post-mortem to rank these things - You know... that deal next week on the Euro may have legs... It could actually big deal for you and rain for us back here and that's life.

Definitely settled into primarily an eastern/SE New England special after some earlier tendencies to back out that way didn't last...

Well ... this band is for real... What's interesting is that the aggregates are actually large despite the temperature dropping. 28 F now... vis between 1/8 and 1/4 M, S+ with occasional chalk dust whirling and curling off the eaves of surrounding homes. 6" but passing above that measure given to present conditions

I must point out ... the models did exceptionally well with the banded nature of these concentric outer reaches of the storm... Really something looking at rad this hour, and just how much it hearkens back to even the ICON for that matter. They all took turns showing bands of action interspersed by nulls... 29F 1/4 M vis S+ 5.5"

These different radar depictions convey enough different "panache" as to serve a distraction for me. As Will pointed out, there is 'sucker hole' in an arced band quasi stationary back in the CT that looks filled in on some radars - ...

Pretty much... This was always a SE threat (primary) but as the past week's worth of dailies and pages of threads and media et al speculated, there was clad conjecture as to whether some of those concerns would get farther west. It actually appears that both did and did not happen ... The did part is that it snowed in arced bands down to N Jersey... the devil part of that deal is that it did not snow at "threat" proportions. Which is interesting.. The N-S oriented deform band over the Berks appears to be a bit west, as was the activity around NYC/N Jersey. But, by and large, these are not headline sensible impact regions. So yes and no. 3.5" 30F 3/4 M vis S- with some minor blowing

12z NAM has this maxing out for impact right now through 4pm or so BTW... has the western deform falling apart over the next three hours... and a new one pulsing to life back here in central zones...before it to vanishes to shreds and flurries this evening... that's sort of step down in general complexion I'd have to say... We'll see. Also, rather than a westerly low position - which may have wrong - it appears the rad presentation may actually be reflecting the 700 mb circulation.. .the surface low is actually slightly E of 70 W near 38 N.. which is where the NAM has it on the 3-hourly position off the 12z .. so not bad actually.

Been watching rad closely... Intense band pivoting west got to about eastern Worcester County and went poof in like three frames... S+ (most likely) in that band down to rad signature consistent with S- ... It's probably going to be this over the course of this affair... thus the topographical layout of snow totals will have max SE then narrowly with that deform axis out west. About the latter... I don't believe the models had placed that feature there in prior runs ... that's interesting.

Yeah ...most of these radar loops really want to suggest the low center is ~ 90 mi S of BID ...which is definitely west of modeling, certainly at the very western edge of consensus envelope if that's verified. I think these 6 to 9 hours are critical to the total evolution of this thing. If we get the center jump east out to a new low near the triple point axis of the lengthening occluded boundary then the previous head scratch solutions have merit. If however, this western low center - which frankly is already a slight bust in my opinion - remains more dominant, than the phasing evolution (which has only been non-committal and partial to date) may also be a more fluid determination. All that said ... doesn't really matter. I have personally been obsessing over the fact that the governing synoptic evolution so favored phasing...yet failing, that the reality of this storm ginormous girth and mid level mechanics bowing so far back W was getting less attention; but is probably the same damn thing sensibly to a small storm making a closer pass. So what difference does it really make? not a lot.. .I guess for things to "make sense" ...it would be more settling to see this western solution work out... but, seeing as it has already to this point at least a little, may also be an acceptable compromise. So...some philosophy to go with some obs. 30F ; 3" 1/3 mi vis S

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I should research the X scale ... many of these scales are not linear - they are logarithmic. For example, every 10 mph > than ~ 75 equates to ~ 2 X the wind force. Earth Quake seismology is the same...the slope is accelerating in the positive direction. Is it the same for X classifications? -curious

How do you come by that assessment exactly - No, unfortunately... neither clause in that bold sentence is true. The only thing here you said worth reading is 'there is literally nothing else to be discussed' With your vast superior frame of reference on matters, you finally did come to startlingly undeniable conclusion. Congrats! and who the f is Dave ... You child. This site and it's antics mean nothing ... get over this and your self, will ya? holy crap.

Yeah ...in his defense, I was just trying to propose a base-line idea that a Kp 5 was probably not likely to be seen - but he spun off on some validation crusade where he's smarter than me, which may very well be the case ( ) BUT, interestingly enough, was the ONLY aspect of that conversation that was truly irrelevant .. The Kp is basically just when the geo-magnetometers detects at given latitudes the ovular ring is assessed based on real-time detection - but it's an interesting secondary question re the "vibrant" intensity of it ..

You stated, ".. Bz is more than -20 so we're missing a great show. ..." It may have been a bad assumption but that sounded to me you were bummed out about it being day-time. Sorry. Whether it is relevant to you or not... fact of the matter is, Kp of 5 would be stressed to see it at our latitude even on a star lit night. That index measure doesn't extend to our latitude - I don't see how that is irrelevant. Nor premature - you should probably learn some tact. I'm not some rube in this area of near -terrestrial physics. I fail the to see the logic in how those post could be construed as either irrelevant, or premature. Those factors and concepts are central to the phenomenon science for f sake. jesus

It doesn't seem you do. But, that's fine - I tried to explain why "you were not missing out" at the time you made your post; but you seem to be evading that explanation for whatever reason. to each his own -

I know what it means... And I know how to use it. If it's only a 5 max, you may not see it around here, anyway, so you're "not missing out" - that was the point.

I wonder if we are, though - The "auroral oval" on the web-site has a big gap in it over on our side of the hemisphere. New England to southern Greenland is effectively 0 on that particular product. Besides, the Kp index is really what we should be going by...and we usually need a minimum of 6 to start seeing it via longer exposure recording devices. Presently it is only 5 ... So, gaps and fives ...meh. That may and probably will change as the full onslaught of the CME continues to impinge upon the planetary system ..yadda yadda, but for now, we aren't missing much if daylight is the only limitation. It's centered on the other side and is of lower storm strength at this time. We'll see how things cook heading toward evening...

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