i was mostly kidding. i've been in this game long enough to know that debby'ing a storm can end up making someone look like an idiot, which is why i rarely do it anymore lol. i really am curious how quickly ground temps, etc., will follow air temps after the mild weather we've had. haven't seen it talked about anywhere, but it does matter. but yes, when dealing with ice, it's better to err on the side of caution...and to also wear shoes that don't make you fall on your ass. not that i would know anything about that.