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Was able to get a photo of the setting sun on the snowpack with the side lighting creating a texture that reminded me of looking down on the clouds during a flight from above.
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Dude give it a rest. My comment over a year ago was that it would be challenging for NYC Central Park to measure 50” on the season and not the surrounding locations which are naturally snowier like ISP and EWR. You will notice that I never use the term impossible just how challenging something is given a particular climate state and temperature level. I am very happy how this winter turned out since it was one of my scenarios which included a rebound off the recent year snowfall lows. It’s funny how you jumped on my post in December which mentioned getting over 4-6” in December is a good sign for winter implying that I didn’t know what I was talking about. My other observation and outlook issued several years ago is that it would be a challenge to rival snowfall during 1993-1994 in PA, 1995-1996 in our area, 2009-2010 in DC to Philly, 2013-2014 around Detroit and the Midwest, and 2014-2015 around Boston. That was based on the temperature jump following the 2015-2016 super El Niño and smaller areas of cold relative to the past. But I didn’t say impossible. You will notice that this winter across the CONUS was one of the warmest ones. So the fact that the cold was compressed into the East much more than usual was illustrating the smaller Northern Hemisphere cold pool. The legacy snowfall winters from 1994 to 2015 had a larger area of cold to work with allowing all-time seasonal snowfall highs. I actually hope that NYC can measure 50” before the season ends. But NYC, LGA, and JFK sit in the heat island and also end up between the best banding during KU events over NNJ and across Long Island. So it’s more challenging for 50” measurements relative to other areas.
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The issue with next Monday is the very strong high pressure forecast to be over the Northeast. So if the system ejects too soon, then it will get suppressed. But a later ejection would probably mean a front end thump to rain or mix potential Tuesday into Wednesday. Plus we could get a suppressed system Monday followed by another with mixing issues Tuesday into Wednesday.
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The blizzard was the only time this winter that the GFS did so well. It’s really hard to say why this was the case. But now we are probably back to the regularly scheduled programming of the AIFS or EPS AIFS doing better. It could just be the broken clock analogy with the GFS but we may never know for sure.
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They will have to do dock and bulkhead repairs this spring and summer on the GSB following the recent ice shove event.
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The good news is that flood cutters with 50°+ temps and 2”+ of rain with a high snowpack are relatively rare events. Most of our winter systems outside the blizzard a few days ago have been precipitation challenged. The last really high profile one was on Christmas 2020 with the 40” snowpack around BGM. Before that it was January 1996. None of the reliable guidance are currently showing a very heavy rainstorm with inches of liquid at least for the next week. So looks like a slower melt at least over the next week.
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It’s possible that the faster rate of warming since 2023 is related to a shift in the newly discovered PCC near Nino 1.2. Notice the current Nino 1.2 temperatures have warmed in recent weeks. The last El Niño in 23-24 also experienced earlier warming than past events as the Nino 1+2 warming was early also. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-52731-6?utm_campaign=related_content&utm_source=HEALTH&utm_medium=communities Much recent work focused on whether equatorial Pacific cooling over past decades is driven by anthropogenic effects or arises from internally-generated climate variability, like the IPO. A definitive anthropogenic link to the recent trends would allow us to reliably predict a cooler tropical Pacific. As the tropical Pacific is known to be a climatic pacemaker, for (at least) the near-future this would mitigate global warming via ocean heat uptake and low-level cloud feedbacks. Instead, if the cyclic IPO dominates the recent cooling, we may expect a strong warming when it reverses. In support of the first possibility, we have identified an emerging climate change signal in the tropical Pacific across different observational datasets and we call it the PCC. The PCC has distinctive ocean-atmosphere dynamics that differ from those associated with the IPO. We further demonstrate that the recent trends during the satellite era, which have been the focus of significant attention, result from a combination of IPO and PCC. The emerging PCC SST trend pattern features a narrow band of cooling in the eastern equatorial Pacific and warming elsewhere.
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The big story in 1994 was the heaviest snows setting up in Central and Eastern PA due to the super gradient that winter. A number of spots set their all-time snowiest season. Several 100”+ amounts in the Poconos and Central PA .Those were the days of the big Miller As east of the APPS that we haven’t had in a while. It was the all-time snowiest in State College. PA LONG POND POCONO LAKE COOP 115.8 PA MONTROSE COOP 136.5 PA HOLLISTERVILLE COOP 132.1 PA SUSQUEHANNA COOP 113.9 Time Series Summary for STATE COLLEGE, PA - Oct through Sep Snowiest Seasons Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. 1 1993-1994 109.3 0 2 1995-1996 99.0 0 3 1977-1978 98.2 0 4 1992-1993 92.5 0 5 1960-1961 91.9 0 6 1969-1970 89.9 0 7 2002-2003 83.6 0 8 1963-1964 78.2 0
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A piece of good news is that the models don’t currently have a heavy 1.50”+ rainstorm in the near future. The best outcome going forward would be a series of weaker lows like the current runs are showing without much total QPF. This way we could see many days with gradual melt with highs into the 40s and the increasing sun angle. Hopefully, a heavy rainstorm holds off until early March after the snowpack has had a chance to melt gradually.
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Yeah, the GFS was #1 back to last weekend with the longer range forecasts and the AIFS was #2. In the shorter range it was the SPC HREF that did the best. For consistency across the entire season the best scoring models have been the AIFS and EPS AIFS. So it’s good to see the AIFS not having the suppression bias of the OP Euro and EPS with East Coast storms. Andrew has written an excellent article below. I would be curious if the outstanding winter forecast from the Open Snow team which Andrew is a part of used AI for their winter forecast. They didn’t mention it in the write-up back in November but perhaps they have a seasonal AI model that they aren’t ready to announce yet. https://opensnow.com/news/post/november-update-2025-2026-winter-forecast-preview
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Guess The Date Of The Next 12"+ Snowstorm In The OKX Zones
bluewave replied to bluewave's topic in New York City Metro
2-22-26 to 2-23-26 Central Islip 31.0 in 0140 PM 02/23 Trained Spotter -
This was one of the better measured snowfalls considering all the drifting. It also highlights how these narrow deformation bands can cause significant variation over a very small distance. You can see the spread between the airport at Newark and the Harrison coop. Central Park was nearly identical to the Greenwich Village measurement After looking at our snowfall over the years some things stand out. Most snowstorms drop the heaviest snow either just west of the NYC-LGA-JFK corridor or to the east across Long Island. 2016 and 2006 were the rare times the heaviest snow was centered at one of these stations. My guess is that the northwest wall of the Gulf Stream to our east provides the natural focus for the very deep lows that track near the benchmark. Terrain interaction with the coastal fronts also lead to a snowfall secondary snowfall maxima somewhere over NNJ into Orange, Rockland, or Westchester. Weaker storms with marginal temperatures often favor areas to the west of NYC. So this has lead to mostly Islip and secondarily Newark for the snowfall leaders among the major observation sites. Greenwich Village 20.4 in 0230 PM 02/23 Public Central Park 19.7 in 0100 PM 02/23 Official NWS Obs Newark Airport 27.2 in 0200 PM 02/23 Official NWS Obs Harrison 18.0 in 0445 PM 02/23 CO-OP Observer
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The SPC HREF had the separate band west of the Hudson idea but it verified a little further to the east.
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It could be the terrain effects and placement of the coastal fronts and deformation bands around the NYBight. There is often a least one very heavy band that parks over NNJ and another across Long Island. The immediate area around Manhattan can get into some relative subsidence between the bands. The NNJ band this time was just west of the Hudson. But at other times with a storm track more tucked in near the coast it has been over Western NJ into Orange and Rockland. The December 2020 storm tracked closer to ACY than this one did and delivered 40” to BGM.
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These modern storms have much more moisture to work with the 7° warmer Gulf Stream than in the 1950s . We were discussing several years back what it would take to get a single 50” snowstorm across the region. My guess would be a stall and a loop back to the west near the benchmark before exiting to the east. A track like this happened during the blizzard of 1888. So it’s seems possible to me that this could be the biggest snowstorm at ISP even if records went back farther.
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Plenty of damage to the trees and power lines out there.
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First 75+ mph gusts for that area in a while. Massachusetts... ...Barnstable County... Wellfleet 77 MPH 0706 AM 02/23 WXFLOW Hatch Beach 71 MPH 0912 AM 02/23 WXFLOW Chatham 70 MPH 0813 AM 02/23 WXFLOW Hyannis AP 69 MPH 0733 AM 02/23 ASOS West Dennis 68 MPH 0909 AM 02/23 WXFLOW Chapin 65 MPH 0816 AM 02/23 WXFLOW West Falmouth 62 MPH 0832 AM 02/23 WXFLOW Kalmus 60 MPH 0904 AM 02/23 WXFLOW Otis AFB 58 MPH 0856 AM 02/23 AWOS ...Bristol County... Horseneck Beach - The Knubbl 63 MPH 0859 AM 02/23 WXFLOW New Bedford AP 62 MPH 0748 AM 02/23 ASOS 1 NE Somerset 60 MPH 0923 AM 02/23 ...Dukes County... Vineyard Station 64 MPH 0936 AM 02/23 WXFLOW ...Essex County... Children's Island 62 MPH 0742 AM 02/23 WXFLOW ...Nantucket County... Nantucket AP 83 MPH 0906 AM 02/23 ASOS Nantucket Harbor 61 MPH 0917 AM 02/23 WXFLOW ...Norfolk County... Milton (Blue Hill) 61 MPH 0656 AM 02/23 CWOP ...Plymouth County... Hull YC 70 MPH 0908 AM 02/23 WXFLOW
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The SPC HREF been one of our best performing pieces of guidance especially in extreme events. It’s what helped to give the NWS the confidence to issue its great forecasts the last few days with this event. Just shows how far weather forecasting has come. When I was growing up in the 1970s and 1980s many times we didn’t even know a big snowstorm was coming even a day before. I would say the last major model miss was 1-25-00 when the 12z runs the day before were all offshore with no snow for many places that got record snow.
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The SPC HREF had the right idea somewhere between its mean and max. The globals and even some models like the RGEM struggle with such dynamic systems. I have often noticed that the best banding usually is just NW of where the globals and even some regionals show.
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This site works really well without degrading the quality of the photos. https://optimole.com/image-compressor/
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I jokingly said to Allsnow a few years back that it would take a volcanic eruption for Central Park to measure 50”. I thought it would be a challenge before this winter began but I never speak in absolutes or use terms like impossible. We’ll see where they land after today as they came in this event with 22.3” on the season. Also never said it was impossible to have another colder winter just that it was a struggle over the last decade with how warm it was. I am very happy with how this winter has turned out as we really needed a good one after the long string of disappointing winters. You seem like a very angry person from reading many of your posts.
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Closing in on 25” there now.
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Freehold at 22.2”.
