coastalplainsnowman

Hey what’s with Islip getting some sort of special treatment for Monday’s snow?

Yeah, Bradford Pears have been the tree of choice in Nassau, especially on utility strips the last 20 or so years. I got one about 15 years ago, and every year I am annoyed by the fact that it holds about 25% of its leaves til about the third week of december. I'm looking at it right now. I should've planted an oak. Side note - suburban long island has such a different look now compared to 40 years ago. As all the old oaks, even big maples and sycamores fall / get cut down they are almost never replaced like for like. Everything looks increasingly like strip mall landscape with the same small trees like bradford pears, chokecherry, etc. I hate to think of what things will look like in another 30 years.

We noticed the same around here. Interestingly though, in many cases it looked like the wind was enough to take out certain trees one way or the other. For example, just nearby my house there were three similar old trees in a row, all down. Two were snapped 3 feet from the ground with clear insect damage. The third didn't (which I could tell after it was cut up into pieces), but that one just uprooted instead, lifting up 25 feet of sidewalk. I've been thinking about this a lot - the suburbs are gradually becoming devoid of any tall trees. A lot of suburbs are nearing 75 years old. So many oaks and big old maples have been either voluntarily cut down or taken down in storms, and are very rarely replaced. Formerly 'woodsy' suburbs - some in fact with 'woods' in the name of the prettier sections of them - are on their way to looking like brand new treeless developments in the plains somewhere.

Did a quick search on 'leaves' here and it looks like there's been some discussion on this, but any idea why so many trees look like they are experiencing an early autumn? I heard/read it could be from saltwater whipped up during Isaias, but how far inland would experience that effect? I see this at least as far north as the Ronkonkoma branch of the LIRR in western Suffolk (near KFRG.) I did notice that it's the leaves primarily on the south side of the trees that are browned, so maybe that is in fact what's going on. I can't say that I noticed it prior to the storm.

General discussion question - in the other thread (which I don't consider myself qualified to post in) says isaias is forecast to go over land *and* maintain/increase in strength as it heads toward NYC metro? In years of watching these things I don't think I've ever seen that happen - even more rare than 'wraparound-change-back-to-snow' of any significance. Are folks buying that this will both a) run that far inland and b) increase in strength and wind speed? Thanks.

Good thing this snow fell at night. With this August 4th sun angle it never would have stuck anywhere.

Hoping this spring doesn't shape up to be like 2003 around here. If memory serves, it was the last week of June before the damp / cold bite was out of the air for good.

Not sure if any of you follow 'LOCKITIN' on Twitter which posts extreme model runs, just for fun. The one on the left in this one from April 5th wasn't too far off..

Interesting that the 'Blizzard of 88' was followed by the least-snowiest-through-Feb-21st winter on record, and that stood apparently for 30 years, remaining in the top 3 in that category for over 100 years.

Well done.This is almost too well written and poetic for the internet in 2020.

I agree. He is absolutely not controversial from what I've seen. He publishes incredibly insightful maps on a regular basis. He has opinons for sure (who doesn't), and goes about defending them in quite the personable way that encourages discussion and debate. 'Happy warrior' is an apt description I'd say.

One reason why not to give up on ‘winter’, from a non-expert to the non-experts. Allow me to pompously and condescendingly use a sports analogy lol. The Baltimore Orioles were horrific last year, correctly forecast by the experts. Multiple times though the Orioles had lopsided victories due to a unique confluence of events on a given random day even though the forecast for a lousy season was right on. Likewise, although we’ve seen winters turn on a dime in a generally unexpected way, that may not turn out to be the case tbis year. It may end the same way it’s been going - lousy for snow lovers. But there’s always a chance that a big snowstorm will pop up out of nowhere - looking like not this weekend, but maybe in 3 weeks or a month. So keep expectations low but don’t give up hope, and let’s see how things work out.

To see these pics one would think that 5+' of snow had fallen, but reading that it was 'only' 27", my first thought was heck various parts of the tri-state area have seen amounts like this in the past 10 years, much of which occurred in blizzard conditions, yet I don't recall pics or videos quite like this,. Even accounting for the fact that cameras and social media are even more prevalent now than say 5 years ago, what's the difference between this storm and ours? Was this different because the the wind was waaayyy stronger?

Starting to think that there really is something to the idea that people forget how to drive in wintry conditions when they don't happen for awhile. For a few hours today driving was a little rough, but nothing we haven't seen 50 times in the last 20 years. Still people were driving like idiots today. Spinouts up and down Wantagh Parkway. The last time we had anything rough on driving must have been in the 17/18 season.

A big volcanic eruption but not a giant meteor? Nevermind now we're being ridiculous lol. The wives of the posters here should probably form a support group. Heck maybe that should be a forum on here where they could vent. I bet that would be a hilarious read.

I sadly was around for them too, and I"m starting to sound like my father too. My father (maybe yours too) had the late 50s/60s as his frame of reference though, so for me growing up in the 80s, when he would blah-blah every storm except specifically the blizzard of 83, in hindsight I can understand why. I'd never trade the ~2002-2018 run, but it spoiled us. 3-6 used to be cool, and 6-12 felt like once in a blue moon, which it was. 12-18 is the new 3-6. Kind of like as a Yankees or Giants fan anything short of a world series is a disappointment, vs a Mets or Jets fan who is happy to get anything. The other thing that ruins everything is being able to see out 14+ days, which unless one lives in the arctic is going to include some warmup. It's led to 'sure it's going to snow 4" and we'll have some nice crisp cold below normal weather this fine Christmas time week, but it's going to warm up in 14 days around Christmas so what's the point of it all anyway???' Or being in the midst of a blizzard and hearing 'yeah but look out for that torch in 9 days.'

Anyone post about the Christmas Day afternoon 2002 rain to heavy pasting 6-8''+ snow event? At least that was the timing on LI. What a great event. That stands out for me as one of at most a handful of times that a rain storm actually flipped to significant snow on the backend, despite being held out as a possibility dozens of times before and since. That snow was flying horizontal and put a more than just a coating on street signs fences and everything else. Next morning (26th) reminded me of Christmas morning in 'A Christmas Story.'

On vacation with some leisure time to scroll through the channels. Stopped at TWC's AMHQ. Listening to the hosts talk about travel conditions across the country, region by region, for minutes on end, reminds me of a kid stretching 50 words of content into a 250 word essay.

I have family up in NWNJ who probably get similar snowfall outcomes to you on storms that get too close for comfort..During that 80s early 90s stretch as kids I always knew that every big winter storm would bring them tons of fun and snow and sleet to rain and school for me. Wow did I hate that.

Sign of the times emerging from the snow drought of the 80s, I remember WINS talking about this storm days out saying that a FOOT could fall. As we know, N&W were crushed, and LI was changed over just as it was getting fun, even as Al Roker then on local NBC still had maps up talking about feet of snow for most - I'll never forget that. But thinking back at the way everyone was talking about a FOOT as if a FOOT was cataclysmic reflected the lack of real snow for the better part of the decade leading up to it. It's been a little while since our great run of blizzards here, but when I hear a foot now I still think 'ho-hum, not impressed', whereas in the late 80s seeing LI painted in 3-6 felt like Christmas eve.

93-94 was awesome for many reasons. First, the cold and the snowpack. Snowcover seemed to last forever that year. As you said, there was a winter event or two every week. One week in February we were in the middle of an 8 inch storm on a Tuesday while the radio was talking about another one coming that Friday. Fresh snowpack on top of frozen old snowpack. Cold as far as the eye could see on the long range forecasts on TV. Colleges on LI that hadn't cancelled a day in 18 years cancelling school. And this wasn't in the middle of a run of snowy winters. The big storm of any consequence was 11 years prior (Blizzard of 93 was a changeover event for most of us on LI), and during a time where I believe only one or two 10" storms had occurred in the previous decade. To me not 95/96 with its crazy snow totals on LI and snowfalls into April, nor any of the winters with seemingly annual record breaking blizzards top 93/94, which felt arctic for months on end.

For Nassau/Suffolk, TWC has practically 0 for LI other than <1 in northern third of Nassau, with a sliver of 1-3 right along the north shore.

Is the cold end of November / start of December still expected? I'm not seeing BN temps in the forecasts that joe sixpacks like me look at (CPC 8-14 day, accuweather, etc.) I know, inadviseable, but if there was consensus am thinking it would show up there too. Is the consensus back to expecting the usual slightly to moderately AN for the foreseeable future again? Looking at long range commercial forecasts (I know, I know) they've been promising BN three weeks out for the last month or so.

Just curious for anyone who might know - the repeated references to 'city smoke' are interesting. Is that what we now would call smog? How would that be recorded today?

Agreed. Been to Ohio now and then, and in late June at 9:40 PM I'd say the sky looks like it does here at 8:50 PM. Haven't been there in early January, but it must be tough getting out of bed there before 8.