powderfreak

Yeah now thinking about it that would’ve been too far north for Pinkham. I’m thinking of like Dec 13-16 in that range I think. City of Plattsburgh, NY had 36”, BTV only like 20” as the band sat from like SLK to Jay Peak to far NNH. If I’m remembering it right that might have been the storm an observer in SLK area had like 17” in 5 hours.

Which Dec 2003 storm? There were several... I think the mid-Dec 2003 one gave the Jay Peak coop at 2,000ft like 42” in 24 hours. Plattsburgh, NY had 36”. That was a crazy meso-scale band. Edit: Now that I think about it that band might have been too far north for Pinkham.

Oh that’s only 24-hour snow... I was going to say that area has to have 20”+ storm totals.

lol... none of that Mid-Atlantic angst is allowed here this early in the season!

I’m only joking, couldn’t care less one way or another. Too far out with a southern stream sort of firehose that could track anywhere. I still wonder if the two options are just wide right and weak or really jacked up and west... would have to really thread the needle to get the right track at the right intensity to work in that garbage air mass.

But the 6z ICON is a good hit, so we thread start? lol

00z EPS was a nice overall mean if you smooth out the super amped runs with the wide right runs. Somehow I don't think it happens like a middle of the road thing... it either seems weak and right, or very wound up and left.

Some flurries this morning. Headed in the right direction now.

It has been very rough for the ski areas... just busting your balls . We were closed today, never happens at Stowe! It probably had some to do with a COVID season and not worth exposing people to any contact with this product, but we probably should've been closing on these days in the past anyway. It was always a pride thing to never shut down, even in the worst weather.

It is funny looking at the maps. Phin, I wouldn't worry about it, lol. Most other NNE spots southeast of you haven't seen more than Dusting-2" yet. The forum will revolt when you start talking about how bad it is. Randolph is still by far the highest total around.

Yeah I was throwing in the October snowfall for a season to date analysis. And honestly 2018 skews your November snow quite a bit LOL. The certainly count, just like the absurdly low months, but on a smaller sample size that type of massive month plays a role. I think you are right on the median. Just another one of the ways the NNE mountains get to "normal"... but also leaving a feeling of being unsatisfied. There are definitely seasons when we get solid snowfall numbers when you add the inches up, but it feels off. Not saying this is one of those but the early start has that vibe. Like when I would complain in a main thread and then someone is like "But Stowe is showing 275" for a seasonal total on the mountain...and you aren't satisfied?"

This is a classic case where the actual inches of snow flakes that have fallen from the sky since October 1 in Randolph may not be that far from normal to be honest... but the “feel” and vibe is of a very slow start. Also starts to feel slow when the bigger events were 4-6 weeks ago in October and early Nov. Sort of like the opposite when you get one snowfall early and then it’s cold, that snow sticks around and feels like an “early start” but you are actually behind other years snowfall, but those years featured a lot more grass and melt.

Even here, 16-17” or whatever it is in November, I’ll have to check my notes. We did really well with that warning criteria snow back on Nov 2-3. That was 7-12” for the lower elevations around the Spine and 12-18” at 1500ft and above. BTV was like partly cloudy for some of that. I’m still impressed with the 8.5” snow depth I had after that one and it had like 0.75” water on 10” snow. Was a legit snowfall. Crazy it’s been a month now since that event.

It’s the little things. Hiking in shorts at high elevation in N.VT on Dec 1st. BTV with a 66F and record max.

I am walking the Stowe Rec Path to pick up my SUV from the mechanic... in shorts and a hoodie on December 1st. It’s 60F, partly sunny. There are people out here jogging in shorts and T’s, bikers, it’s like a May Day on the Rec Path. This is absolutely wild. Dews are up so it’s not even a crisp 60F. Might need to take the dog for a hike and enjoy this rare day off in the warmth.

Yeah no way to put a very heavy grooming machine on the snow in that slop and I don't think I've ever seen Stowe open without at least one groomed route down. MRG can pull that off but not a ski resort like this... they need at least one groomed route but a large heavy tractor would've just made a mess in this weather. The SE flow was very efficient at wringing out moisture on the east side... the east side of the county lines got about 1" more water than the west side. Like look at J.Spin's 1.77" and then you probably go 4 miles through the Spine and there's an inch less water when I-89 comes out on the other side.

Yeah we got like twice as much rain as it looked like we’d get too... with dews, high winds, and now it’s just rotting wet snow where it’s left.

Yeah for sure, I think the fact that it’s rain and not snow is what makes it interesting. Snow measurements can be all over the place but water doesn’t usually have those issues. I agree the 45mph gusts definitely play into it as it seems all the heavy rain events have those SSE winds in his obs, so it is definitely with that wind. Anyway, the Euro found a Day 10 storm, lol:

I just saw our dew point hit 56F overnight. Yikes. 60/51 currently. 1.46” for water.

Noticed the guy up the hill behind you had 1.82”. Seems like we’ve found in heavy rain events he’s going to do considerably less than you for water for whatever reason.

Over 1" rain is all I know as the stratus overflows. We've picked up two to four times the amount the 12z GFS and ECMWF had through this time. Models showing 0.3-0.6" earlier through 11pm. But with this type of jet and transport moving across New England, probably could've taken the over on the rainfall.

Makes sense. This has been alarmingly efficient at raining. Looks like you guys up through Phin's area is about to get into another firehose shortly. And you know it's likely seeder feeder raining harder than radar shows in the mountains and upslope wind flow.

Ski country getting swamped. I see 2.25-2.50" so far in the Bethel, ME/Sunday River area so far. Some near 3" amounts in Jackson to Bartlett area southeast of MWN. Yikes.

The entire east slope of the Greens is solidly 1.00-1.75" so far based on PWS amounts up and down RT 100... Sugarbush area up through Waterbury and into Stowe. I mean that's a pretty massive QPF bust going on it seems. Yard is like a swamp. Not really stoked on vastly over-performing rain right now. Mountain must be taking a beating.