powderfreak

GEFS says civil war is back on. BOS to TAN snow angels.

There are worse Day 10 EPS snow maps for the forum.

That’s a classic look for SNE. Would be wild to see how much ORH is just destroying climo through mid-December.

Us deep interior folks support this message. Coastal systems don’t just start to magically track 100+ miles NW at shorter lead time. Possible? Sure but that myth has been put to bed since 2013 or so. At this time frame anything is possible though.

Driving into Manchester features prominence right on par with the northern Greens for sure. I used to be in awe as a kid when we’d go skiing on the weekends at like Bromley and Stratton. When you get valleys at like 500-1000ft and peaks at 4000ft, that’s when it’s like, yeah that’s a hill.

The weird thing is Bromley faces like due south doesn’t it? “The sun mountain” or whatever... wouldn’t think retention is all that much better on that aspect, despite holding cold air a bit longer in CAD situations. Fascinating discussion guys.

It’s snowing pretty hard all the sudden, surfaces instantly white again. Absolutely nothing on radar though. When I was skiing this afternoon the cloud top height didn’t seem that high up, you could see sunlight trying to pop through. We keep getting this low level snow under the radar and ridge top to fall down in town. I’ve never seen this consistent type of low level snow, but it makes sense this time of year with stout inversions hard to break I guess.

Yeah your area down to Hippy and the Berkshires and adjacent upper valley of Mass has been the dud zone so far. Seems to have missed in all directions so far. But I trust climo, it’s coming.

You ever wonder what 1978 would’ve looked like on today’s models? Could it have been 5-6 feet, that verifies as 36-48”. I always wonder about that... how storms of yore would’ve been represented in the lead time with today’s models.

Elemental Energy. Hooralph. Some good old ones there.

Yeah it wasn’t that special but more than was expected 2-3 days out. The band was definitely east of us along the MA/NY border at this latitude. But boy do I remember Jan 2002 too. Great memory to bring up. A complete sh*t winter that somehow grabbed a high-end event. That featured a depth increase of 8” in 2 hours officially at the airport during the height of it. Delmar, NY where I grew up had 18” and was a near jackpot. Not bad for the 01-02 winter. That was another southern stream moisture laden storm: In this case, the northern and southern stream branches of the jet never really phased well. What happened instead was that a strong upper level storm embedded within the southern branch of the jet intensified to the point, as it drove south into the Gulf of Mexico, that it alone was able to buck a fast shearing flow along the coast as it swung around the base of the east coast trough, to form a moderately intense surface Nor'easter that produced some heavy snow in the Northeast. The storm did move very rapidly from off the Virginia coast late Sunday afternoon to the Canadian Maritimes by early Monday morning, which reduced the amount of snow that would have fallen had the system moved slower. The fast speed of the storm, however, was compensated for by the lift in the atmosphere the storm created and the high moisture content of the air it brought with it from the Gulf of Mexico. The atmospheric lift was so great and moisture content so rich that snow fell at rates of 2"-4" per hour for a couple of hours from 8pm through midnight on the 6th. In fact, at Albany, eight inches of snow fell between 10:00pm and midnight on January 6.

I love it. Because I feel the same way. You become ok with even being shafted in some events, because it's about the variety and interesting weather you see in the mountains compared to other areas. I still think mountains feature by far the most interesting weather you can get. It's also in your face, because the terrain gives a literal vertical profile of the lower levels of the atmosphere. When I grew up in the Hudson Valley, you look up and there's no point of reference for weather. For some reason it just feels different in the mountains when you can see visually what's happening. We have no shortage of interesting weather. In the mountain communities is where a random snow shower/squall or rouge strong thunderstorm can pop up at anytime. The low level lift is always present... wind flow and moisture still need to be figured out. But the mountain communities have omnipresent lift possible. I think that's the key to the interesting weather. Not even considering temperatures that vary wildly based on set-up.

That’s awesome. I still have to remind myself of where you came from and what that must feel like. You feel like a lifelong member of the NNE crew already. But this is like prom night, before marrying the prom queen . Hopefully it never becomes “old” when it snows!

I’m an idiot. It was Feb ‘01. Dendrite was probably in that same mesoband I remember coming through eastern NY state SE of ALB. It was that same winter, I just didn’t flip the calendar year in my post .

Banned.

Comparing a few over-performing snow shower events up here to Feb 2015 seems like a major party foul. I get it but that made me chuckle.

Yeah Killington looked favored on that blocked SW flow ahead of the low today. We had 1.5" daytime at Stowe... the same I got down in the village. There's an insane amount of rime up on the hill from the thick moist clouds. The hill is plastered white, despite low natural snow depths. Some terrain expansion coming.

Wasn't there one in February 2000 too that just kept tracking westward on the models in the final 48 hours and hit a similar area? I distinctly remember an event we were going to whiff in ALB and for some reason the memory is very vivid of skiing Whiteface that day and coming home to see the ETA was all the sudden hammering eastern New York and adjacent western New England. The event I'm thinking of had some insane meso-band from the Berkshires to SE of ALB and into the lower Hudson Valley I think.

The bolder I agree with. It’s not as big of a difference as up north, but I truly believe there is still a north/south gradient between Mt Snow and Killington. Marginal borderline events, maybe SWFE? Killington has significant elevation in that 2000-4000ft range, slightly higher than Mt Snow. I get @radarman’s point though, sometimes Mt Snow gets hit hard in coastal that scrape Killington... but my gut still says there’s a gradient between the two.

I know Ginxy, you’re never surprised lol.

Loved this one. Probably one of the first storms I remember truly tracking online using like unisys weather models (or something like that). Anyone remember that site? We had 13” in Albany I think.

Yeah I guess they do... but that pattern can also often be Dusting to inch and have a nice day. Last night dropped an inch of like snow drizzle, I think that’s the cling. It was snow but all low level small flakes, a decent amount of them. I dunno, I definitely didn’t expect this scene on the whole when looking at the pattern for this week. I think town has continued to out perform the mountain some how too. That plays into the wow factor. Temps and moisture are good. It’s been like 25-27F every day and good inversion with lots of moisture trapped under it. I think we are getting blocked flow upslope from the Worcester Range on the east side of town... that 3500ft ridge line I think is backing up the flow just enough to keep moisture coming in town, while east slope of Mansfield where the ski area is finds itself blocked out a bit.

Pretty much all unforecast and unmodeled snow here this week. 3 days of continuous light snow eventually adds up. Norman Rockwell has nothing on the scene in town right now.

Steady light snow eventually adds up. Walked the dog through a winter wonderland this afternoon on the Rec Path: Even the power lines are going white. There's been some combo of fluffy snow that's also incredibly "clingy" to create that true winter wonderland look. Like caking snow.

Stowe Village is just insanely beautiful right now. I can't believe how lucky we've been this week with snowfall.... we missed the big storm but the orographic insurance policy has come through. Still more snow on the ground under 1,000ft than above 1,500ft . I mean we'd spend days tracking this type of snowfall.... almost all of this was un-modeled snow.