powderfreak

Some of those easterly flow wind events should be fun there with that setup!

This guy’s rant is great… “Here’s why I hate Norway Maples: This is one dirty tree, dropping trash at all seasons, including flower buds, two crops of seeds, twigs, branches, and copious amounts of leaves. It sheds large branches from the top, then resprouts along the truck. Every time the wind blows large branches fall from the top of the tree, making me very nervous about my roof. It makes a LOT of seedlings. I spend way too much time every spring and summer in an attempt to hand pull all of them. Nothing grows underneath them. My flower beds along this neighbors fence line are empty. Every year I try to fill in these beds, and every year I watch in sadness as everything dies. It is the last tree to lose its leaves in the fall, often not until after Thanksgiving, which means that having my gutters cleaned is a game of Russian roulette. Will the leaves fall before it snows? It’s been a hit and miss proposition. I fear for my two dogs safety when they are in the yard. One of those falling branches would hurt them badly. Its shallow roots also make it prone to blowdowns.“

Probably for the better lol. Get rid of them.

That’s where we’ll just have to agree to disagree, ha. I think humans are terrible at estimating winds and that leafed out tree damage occurs at a far lower wind speed than many folks think.

Gotcha, makes sense. I still think when we had that huge blow down up here like 3 October’s ago (?), I’m not convinced the winds were that much above 50mph despite acres leveled. I dunno, I still think personal perception of wind leads to over-estimates. If you can get a 2-M gust in the 40-50 range I still think that can do a lot of damage. But you are right, those trees see that NE wind built into their climo/growth.

Isn’t that what the discussion is about though? How do you estimate winds at your place though? Like how would you know it’s 50mph or whatever? Thats why I think a PWS hitting 45mph in a forested suburban area is pretty damn solid wind.

I’m definitely not applying it to SE Mass… just the Tan area and the obs from there. I don’t see why the ASOS would be wrong?

It’s rare that the people who experienced it are trying to convince others it wasn’t 60+ winds. Normally you’ve got folks saying oh my god 60-70mph now and people have to convince them it’s not that high . 80-9mph frictionless on a dune above the water… 40-50mph through dense mature forests a county or two inland passes the smell test for me.

What is your Davis’ top wind speed all time… with or without leaves even?

See I disagree. I think you can certainly get those outages with gusts of 45mph. In a fully forested neighborhood with mature trees, still leafed, with soaking wet ground? It doesn’t have to be 60+ to get big damage. If a PWS in a yard measured 60 they wouldn’t have power for two weeks.

Oh BTV is in a land of its own. That Lake retains heat quite well too, that stuff on the shores will be last to change in the State. Just like in the spring the stuff along the water might be some of the last to leaf out as the cold lake keeps a lid on things. Even the difference from the airport to lakeside is huge.

Damn nice shot!

I think what it shows is how often people over-estimate winds too. 45mph on fully leafed mature hardwoods is big severe wind to be honest. It doesn’t have to be 60-70mph like many seem to think and then also assume it was that high for large tree damage. 45mph in a forest is big wind. I know at the ski area and on the mountain, 40-50mph is serious wind. I think we get numb to it because of high progs and people estimating higher… but measured 45mph is legit.

Pretty stoked we swapped 65F and sunny for 40s and showers the past week or two .

That is absolutely wild. I didn’t think you’d be that different from here.

We live it right now, ha. What a disaster of a Saturday.

Ahh from 29F to 38F and raining in two hours. Love to see it.

Some real wild fake cold this evening. It’s already hard frost outside with 30/29 at the nearby station here along the river just NW of village center. MVL ASOS also at 30/28 at same elevation. Anything under about 850 feet is dipping below freezing, while above that is like 40 degrees or more. Some of these are like 10-12 degree differences in like a mile and only a couple hundred feet elevation change.

30/28 and calm at MVL right now… and 46/34 at BTV with 13mph south wind. Quite the difference in the two sites. Both located in a valley but one valley is a lot bigger in size than the other one.

Yeah I heard he was down there in Manchester. Celebrities and money love “quaint” Vermont, ha. Ralph Lauren in the mountains. Up here Melinda Gates was staying in Stowe last week. Bill gave her a couple billion for spending money .

Even in crappy winters you guys still seem to get a good storm lol. It may only snow once in a ratter or something but it’s a good storm when it does .

Yeah what are some of those 6” storm stats from the 80s and early 90s? I remember Will listing some numbers and you couldn’t bank on a 6 inch event even once every 2-3 years. Now they seem to grow on trees. I remember hearing it and not believing it…how rare 6”+ was down there for like 15 years.

2 hours ago it was 61F, now it’s 39F and free-falling. It happens fast this time of year.

She rolled around in the frost for sure. She seemed to understand it wasn’t snow ha, but was like “I guess this will do.” I almost thought it was snow from a distance because I was like wtf is that trail white for? Like it’s late afternoon, is that still snow from the other day? Never expected frost to be that robust. Like even the evergreens were white , looked like they had snow on them from a distance.

It’s that time of year when frost survives all day long in the shadows. 3:30pm and walk to wall frost still on the northeast aspects.