Roger Smith

The low pulled in some quite mild air that will now be forced up and over as the support vanishes. It was up to near 50F in w PA and parts of w NY. I think 2 to 4 inches may be fairly widespread except in s.w. CT where 0.5 to 1.0 inch would be my call. Local 4 to 6 inch bands in VT, NH and ME still seem possible.

The low crossing the Great Lakes has pulled milder air in from the plains states and highs in w PA and even w NY have reached high 40s to near 50 F. This mild sector will rapidly collapse southeast tonight but especially for those south of Newark, don't be surprised if there's a brief spike in temperatures to around 40-43 F for a few hours around midnight. The milder air will not likely reach the surface for lower Hudson valley, parts of metro NYC and most of Long Island. By morning a colder WNW flow will have arrived and any brief spell above 35 F will be replaced by that cooler air mass. This path for brief warming probably also defines the southern limit of where measurable snow could fall from the system, other than any briefly heavy snow showers in the WNW flow.

You'll be relieved to learn that one person (at least) understood the point you were making -- the most extreme portion of winter is now past, like on August 10th the most extreme part of summer is done. But nearly similar records can still be hit. (he wasn't trying to say the sun angle on Feb 10th = sun abgle on Aug 10th).

With the preliminary climate report for today 31/10 the scoring above is now confirmed. CPcantmeasuresnow had the lowest total errors (1 deg) followed by Tony and bkviking (2 deg). CPcantmeasuresnow had a perfect 17/3 going before the final report of 18/3 changed the results by one degree but still finished first in the temperature contest. I will review the snowfall situation at end of tomorrow's data and score the snowfall forecasts separately just for fun. The current standings are also shown in the previous post. Thanks for participating.

Whatever the merits of this map, arctic cold does not arrive in the west from the central Pacific. It builds down from the Yukon.

For NYC I think the -7 1934 entry is just the midnight low on the way down to the -15, as are some other NYC record lows. There are several -6 lows that would be next in the list of morning lows.

Feb 9 records all set in 1934 BTV -28 BGR -24 ORH -20 CON -19 BOS -18 PVD -17 BDL -15 NYC -15 (BDR +5 1963, PWM -15 1948)

Current contest standings _ low max 18 _ low min 3 temps confirmed at end of day and must survive Monday also tiebreaker needed refers to method placing forecast ahead of tied total error below it (if any) Consensus is ranked but does not affect following ranks. Rank _FORECASTER (order of entry) ___________ MAX _ MIN __ Temp errors __ snow __ tiebreaker needed _01___CPcantmeasuresnow (12) _________________ 17 ___ 3 _____ 1,0 _ 1 ________ 1.4" _02___Tony (via RJay post) (15) _________________ 17 ___ 2 _____ 1,1 __ 2 ________ 0.6" ___ snow _03___bkviking (14) _____________________________ 17 ___ 4 _____ 1,1 __ 2 _________ 0.7" _04___RJay (18) _________________________________16 ___ 4 _____ 2,1 __ 3 _________ 0.2" ___ snow _05___Roger Smith (19) __________________________16 ___ 4 _____ 2,1 __ 3 _________ 0.6" ___ snow _06___dmillz25 (10) ______________________________19 ___ 5 _____ 1,2 __ 3 ________ 0.7" _07___DonSutherland1 ( 1 ) _______________________17 ___ 6 _____ 1,3 __ 4 ________ 0.2" ___ snow _08___SACRUS ( 3 ) _____________________________20 ___ 5 _____ 2,2 __ 4 ________ 0.4" ___ snow _09 ___snowman19 (17) __________________________ 21 ___ 2 _____ 3,1 __ 4 _________ 0.5" ___ snow _(09)____ Consensus (mean of entries) ________ 19 ___ 6 _____ 1,3 __ 4 _______ 0.5" ___ (tied 9th) _10___IYC77 ( 6 ) ________________________________18 ___ 7 _____ 0,4 __ 4 ________ 0.8" ___ snow _11___TriPol ( 9 ) _________________________________18 ___-1 _____ 0,4 __ 4 ________ 1.3" _12___Northshorewx ( 7 ) _______________________ 16 ___ 6 _____ 2,3 __ 5 ________ 0.4" ___ smaller error max _13___Stormlover74 (11) _________________________ 19 ___ 7 _____ 1,4 __ 5 ________ 0.4" _14___coastalplainsnowman ( 2 ) ________________19 ___ 9 _____ 1,6 __ 7 _________0.75" _16___wxallannj ( 8 ) ____________________________ 21 ___ 8 _____ 3,5 __ 8 ________ 0.2" ___ snow [email protected] ( 4 ) ___________20 ___ 9 _____ 2,6 __ 8 ________ -- -- _17___Prue11 ( 5 ) _______________________________ 21 ___ 9 _____ 3,6 ___ 9 ________ Tr ___ best snow forecast so far _18___Rwes1 (13) _______________________________ 22 ___ 8 _____ 4,5 ___ 9 ________ 0.1" ___ _19___PositiveEPOEnjoyer (16) __________________24 ___ 8 _____ 6,5 ___ 11 _______ 0.5" ===================== <<< now confirmed >>> Max 17 in early climate report became 18 F in final report (max after 4 pm) Snowfall standings, pending any changes on Tuesday 1. Prue11 ___ Tr 2. Rwes1 ___ 0.1" t3. RJay, DonSutherland1, wxallannj __ 0.2" t6. Sacrus, Stormlover74, northshorewx ___ 0.4" t9. Snowman19, PositiveEPOEnjoyer ___ 0.5" t11. Tony, Roger Smith __ 0.6" t13. bkviking, dmillz25 __ 0.7" 15. coastalplainsnowman __ 0.75" 16. IYC77 ___ 0.8" 17. TriPol ___ 1.3" 18. CPcantmeasuresnow __ 1.4" (RJay and DonSutherland1 had the best combined ranks)

The high so far today is now listed at 17F at NYC ... will need to check final values and see what happens tomorrow before declaring a winner but so far CPcantmeasuresnow has hit both numbers right on (17, 3). Tonight winds will be much lighter so NYC will have problems getting as low, plus the upper support is gradually weakening too. I would imagine tomorrow's max will be 25-30 at least so that won't affect the results either.

I don't know who may win the Super Bowl but in the Snow Bowl the current score is BOS 39.5 __ SEA 0.0 (inches of snow to date this winter)

The BWI snow is missing but somebody found it in Norfolk.

Yes, you would also be leader with a max of 18, if 3 is confirmed as low (the contest runs through tomorrow so it would need to remain above 3 F tonight). A max of 16 or lower would give RJay the title, dmillz25 would win for a max of 19, and Sacrus for a max of 20. Snowfall only needed to separate RJay and you, as well as myself. There again RJay would have to avoid 0.6" to 1.4" snow through Tuesday by contest rules. A snowfall of 0.8" would leave order of entry as the tie-breaker, and RJay can only beat me on order of entry. We should have a preliminary max for NYC and a confirmed min by about 5 p.m., will be back then, but the preliminary max would need to hold up until midnight.

6 at NYC at midnight (low for Feb 7th). It could still fall several more degrees. A moderate wind is better for continued cooling at mid-town sites, if the wind drops the urban heat island spreads in.

By midnight it was 6F at NYC for the daily low Feb 7th.

Just realized that the 1934 records were for Monday (Feb 9th), tomorrow is Feb 8th so the 1934 records I mentioned were set (like NYC -7F) at midnight on the way down to readings below the records quoted. For some reason I had it in my mind that tomorrow was the ninth. Anyway, I can see where it may not drop quite as low near the coast because of continued stronger winds there but I bet it gets way below zero over this fresh snow pack if skies stay clear most of the night.