michsnowfreak

55 minutes ago, Stebo said:

There isn't one though. It also is further South and West from the city so it can tend to be warmer at times.

He has ramped up the trolling since his buddy was repeatedly banned.

46 minutes ago, TheClimateChanger said:

Huh? @michsnowfreakis always complaining about the heat island at DTW.

What have I been reading on here for decades?

Youve been here for decades? Interesting. And no, Im not always complaining about heat island at DTW. 

A handful of years ago it seemed that there was an issue with the DTW thermometer running warmer, and retired met Bill Deedler always complained of heat island, but Ive not seen an issue in a while. In fact, Ive always said that DTW is in a rural-ish area, and that in the '60s-80s the radiational cooling was off the chart (the days of less concrete at the airport). Its not so much a heat island today as it is a radiational cooling magnet it was in the 60s-70s (comparable to present-day Ann Arbor).

If you actually paid attention to the weather instead of just playing around all day on xmacis, it would not be a surprise that DTW is running similar to Flint. The big cold snap (the one that smashed records in the plains that you called run of the mill) had the core of the cold further south in MI than north. It was like 12 in Traverse City when it was -3 in Detroit. And the month has been full of stagnant weather, almost no sun, and significantly more rain and snow in Detroit than Flint.

4 hours ago, Snowstorms said:

Yes I agree. Some weak or moderate El Nino's can be great for us too. Sorry it took me a while to get back to this, had to total up all the winters since 1840 in Toronto lol. Here's our top 20 least snowiest winters. Note I did not use YYZ for the top 20. I used our Toronto station, from 1840-1994 and then used our North York station from 1994-present. 

The red highlighted are the more recent winters (i.e., since 2000). Our average snowfall every winter is around 50" (45" at YYZ). 

If I used YYZ then 2011-12, 2009-10, and 2006-07 would be in the top 5. But YYZ's measuring standards are questionable. 

Thanks. Heres the comparison to Detroit for Toronto's 20 least snowy.

Most years were below avg at Detroit too, but 3 of them (2009-10, 1877-78, 1987-88) finished north of 40"+.

01.) 1952-53: 18.4” --- 16.6”
02.) 2009-10: 23.7” --- 43.7”
03.) 1932-33: 25.7” --- 25.8”
04.) 1936-37: 27.7” --- 12.9”
05.) 2011-12: 28.3” --- 26.0”
06.) 1982-83: 28.7” --- 20.0”
07.) 1905-06: 30.2” --- 29.4”
08.) 1877-78: 30.2” --- N/A*
09.) 1881-82: 30.4” --- 13.2”
10.) 1937-38: 30.9” --- 22.6”
11.) 1957-58: 31.3” --- 20.0”
12.) 2015-16: 31.8” --- 35.3”
13.) 1994-95: 31.9” --- 33.5”
14.) 2006-07: 32.8” --- 30.3”
15.) 1928-29: 33.7” --- 38.9”
16.) 1988-89: 34.3” --- 25.1”
17.) 1999-00: 34.8” --- 23.7”
18.) 1847-48: 34.9” --- N/A
19.) 1941-42: 35.3” --- 23.4”
20.) 1987-88: 36.4” --- 45.1”

*March & April data is M in 1877-78, but snowfall was above avg despite the mild temps that winter*

Oh and its so damn cool that Toronto has data since 1840. I do have a thick book that details winters of the 1830s-1880s at Detroit (a guy kept a journal) but not actual official stats.
 

23 minutes ago, Stevo6899 said:

I'm confused. Is that palm dewd? if it is, gotta admire him entertaining us during this zzzz winter.

"Admire" is not a word I'd use to describe cromartie. 

This January has been full of both fun times and frustration, but it's been anything but zzzz here.

This morning was back & forth between rain and wet snow. I received a slushy 0.2" of snow, but the heaviest amount was right near the airport, complete with slush covered roads at 0.8" at DTW.

DTW is now at 4.97" precip and 14.6" snow in January. The wettest January on record is 5.02".

I am at 5.00" precip and 14.2" snow in January.
 

14 minutes ago, Cary67 said:

24 miles NW

Ah ok. Makes sense. We went from Winnipeg last weekend to Seattle this weekend.

5 hours ago, Cary67 said:

Yeah this fog is relentless. Snow melt is progressing but slowly.

How close are you to ord? They are at 0 depth now

We are now down to just piles.

1 hour ago, TheClimateChanger said:

Good stuff. Here's the same comparison, except with the city that fans of old school TWC might recall as "the best location in nation - Cleveland, Ohio." @michsnowfreak put the 2003-04 snow hole out of his memory. Don't know what was going on in 1918-19, it's more than a foot below any other year.

Cleveland is part of the Lake Erie snowbelt & average 18.8" more than Detroit, so really not a good comparison. Although the last several years I don't know what's going on in Cleveland, they've been in the snow hole it seems. 

17 hours ago, Snowstorms said:

Thank you for sharing. I compared your top 20 to Toronto to see how/where we differ and I must say I'm shocked lol. Our average is around 45-50". 

All your top 5 winters were incredibly warm in Toronto too, with the only exception being January 1966. We had a big storm in Jan 1966 that dropped 16-20", more than your entire season, wow! Seems like we got really lucky in those winters due to marginal snow events, sort of like last winter. 

Another thing that stands out is; Detroit doesn't do well in El Nino's or neutral ENSO winters. Of your top 10; 5 were El Nino, 1 La Nina, and 4 Neutral. And that rule is more or less applicable for us in Toronto too. Though some El Nino's can be quite good (2002-03, 2004-05, or 2018-19 to name a few). I would think the inverse is true for your top 20. 

Detroit can do good in weak el ninos. Strong are the worst. Do you have Torontos top 20 least snowy?

1 hour ago, Stevo6899 said:

Different strokes. Josh always keeps his expectations low which is smart if you're a big dog fan in metro detroit. I've learned we can't do anything about it so it's useless to get all bent outta shape when we have a winter like this current one. Ya got 3 months and to expect to cash in a legit storm more than once or twice is unrealistic expectations. 

My expectations are not centered around big dogs. I am closer to a beavis, but not as extreme. In a strong nino I'd never expect sustained winter, but hope for periods of it. Just because you enjoy the fun times (ie the last 2 weeks) doesn't mean you're satisfied or expectations met. Which is where I don't understand where beavis is going. Who of the winter lovers is saying their satisfied? It's a subpar winter all around, especially in most or the Northwoods, but doesn't mean you can't enjoy the fun when it's here. 

1 hour ago, Snowstorms said:

Statistically speaking, every winter month (DJF) except Feb 2021, and Jan/Feb 2022 has finished above average (temperature wise) since 2019-20. That's an ugly stat. It's even uglier if you go back to 2015-16. Only 4 more months (Jan 2019, Jan 2018, Dec 2017, and Dec 2016).

More like light snow events that in some winters would be considered average (i.e., ~2"). And the next 10 days look warm and snowless. 

If we want to specifically filter out for strong Nino's, then January 1992, January 1988, and February 1973 had more impressive cold outbreaks. January 1966 was probably the more impressive one because the month finished below average. 

 

You're kind of taking this OT. All that was said is that it was a significant cold snap. The week averaged 15 degrees colder than average.  

Good catch on Jan 1966. It was more severe in terms of longevity for sure. 1973 & 1992 were shorter and not as extreme as 2023 here. I did not realize 1988 was a strong nino.

9 hours ago, Snowstorms said:

Maybe for Chicago, Iowa, Wisconsin, and further west, but it wasn't anything special for us further east. Our average low in Toronto is 12F right now and the coldest we got was 4. I'm sure the same could be said for Detroit with the exception of 2-3 cold nights where you dipped below 0.

And it only lasted a week. Now we are back to reality (continuing warmth). And it'll likely erase any negative departures for Detroit. 

 

It was a very cold week here. But with the mild weather to close January, yes, DTW will finish slightly on the + side. The blast was impressive but on the short side. It was a parade of snowfalls and temps well below avg for about 10 days. The 3rd week of January was 7th coldest on record for Detroit. Nowhere near the blasts of 2019, 2014, 2015, etc...but i cant find a similar one during a strong Nino here.

Over an inch of rain last night brought DTW to over 4.5" of precip in January, the 3rd wettest January on record. That, plus the unusually severe (albeit too brief for my liking) stretch of deep winter are both things I did not see coming in a strong Nino.

Grass looks gross after staring at white for a few weeks . Just piles and a few rogue patches left.

21 minutes ago, 40/70 Benchmark said:

I would argue that the can got kicked in latter December, which was a month we were all prepared for to suck...but it didn't really get kicked in January.....you just didn't end up liking what was in it. The pattern verified.....sorry there was no blizzard on your porch. 

The pattern absolutely verified. It was deep winter for a few weeks, with record breaking cold in the middle of the country. After a parade of snow systems and bitter cold here, London weather has commenced for the thaw. Can kicking has become an overused term.

25 minutes ago, Lightning said:

Time for the magic.  Need you to breakout that ole Josh snow magnet for Monday's system 

Honestly anything thru approx Feb 10th would be thread the needle luck. I'm not holding my breath, but definitely liking mid Feb and beyond.

1 hour ago, Allsnow said:

Until the strong Nina next winter 

I'm not familiar with how a strong nina would affect the East. But I know here in the lakes there's actually a decent chance of having a very stormy winter. Big on roller coaster patterns.

3 hours ago, Prismshine Productions said:

Eric Webb got a fun take

 

Sent from my SM-S146VL using Tapatalk
 

 

snowman has officially resigned from the Eric Webb fan club.

1 hour ago, Stebo said:

Yeah it was a cold week to 10 days, significant enough to drop the temps down for the month but not really drop the temp down for the winter thus far.

No arguments here. Depending what happens the rest of the way, this could be a real wacky winter, especially if the torch followed by cold comes to fruition.

So far-

-Snowiest Halloween on record

-Near zero visibility in snow squalls Nov 27, made for 3 days of white to end November.

-Disaster December. Warmth is one thing, but only a trace of snow imby. No days with snow on the ground

-Mild first third of January gives way to a 10-12 day siege of deep winter w/ thundersnow, a parade of snowfalls, bitter cold, drifting snow, -30F wind chills, etc

-London weather hits during the dead of winter

-Rest of the way??? 

Any posters from southern Wisconsin, I'm curious. Does the MKE temperature sensor seem to be running warm? I notice that MKE is always warmer than everywhere to the north or south, often even warmer than chicago. 

3 hours ago, Stebo said:

I mean December is obviously doing all the heavy lifting on these numbers. It was still a significant cold snap that we went through, to say otherwise is foolish.

TCC went off a cliff when the significance of the cold snap was discussed. The third week of january was top 3 coldest in almost the entire middle third of the country, something he called run of the mill. At Detroit, it was the 7th coldest. We have talked to death about how shitty the first half of this winter has been, especially December. There is not one single person in here who is remotely acting like this is a good winter for cold and snow lovers. But for the cromartie-lites, the mere discussion of ongoing cold or snow is a trigger. 

Hey look I can play with xmacis too! Detroit coldest Jan 14-20

4 hours ago, OrdIowPitMsp said:

Chasing the ghost of winter 1887/1888 for warmest on record. Would be pretty cool if April and May end up our snowiest months this winter. Right now the 2.7” in October takes the top spot. 

I think you mean 1877-78.

15 hours ago, mississaugasnow said:

Mine here is probably going to hang on for another day 

14 days in a row with snow cover isn’t bad considering how bad this winter has been lol 

There's still snowcover but it's been melting. The water content of the pack has helped the melt be slow. There will still be piles but today and tonight should do it for a snowpack. A 2 week stretch of pretty deep winter is definitely not bad for a strong Nino, just hoping we do it again the 2nd half of Feb.

Now to add some actual piss and moan banter. No matter the pattern or expectation, I HATE watching snow melt. Far more irritating to me than any model failure.