michsnowfreak

Nearly all of that 2000 snow fell on December 30 though. For the record @MJO812 im certainly not saying it doesn't snow in NYC in nina decembers. Just that it's snowier than normal further north. NYC can often be on a gradient line. Plus add in the fact that those northern places already average more to begin with, and you can come up with quite a contrast by months end.

Who wants to start the Winter medium/long range thread?

Good snowfall pattern stretching from the upper midwest and Great Lakes into new England, with poorer snow chances in the midatlantic and points south is, again, classic Nina December.

The last week of November actually got colder on the weeklies. And has for several days. Though I know youre concentrating on December. I know the Mid-Atlantic may not like it but those weeklies with the cold to the Nw and warmth to the SE would be a great storm track for the Great Lakes.

People post from different regions so different effects are expected. Plus the select group of posters who always/only look for warm will be looking and scouring social media for whatever they need to to mitigate any cold. But overall appears that in typical nina fashion, the already cold north will have colder anomalies and the already warm south warmer ones. In other words big temp gradients, at least at times.

Im sure he was referring to his location. I see no warmth at all in MI in the means. Doesn't mean there won't be a mild day or two.

I posted something similar a while ago, but was able to update it with the newest Fall pic. Looking into my backyard. Always feel lucky to have 4 seasons, and it's really neat to see it in a picture form. I didnt have a good spring Pic, had to use one from last May, but now I think I want to do a comparison shot every year.

This map is a great one to show why snowlovers in the Great Lakes always prefer nina over nina.

Agree to the bolded 100%

Not sure if it matters but those were 500mb temps, not surface temps. That said, November 1950 saw an incredible shift in temps. At Detroit, November 1st saw the all-time November high temp of 81°, to this day the only time 80 has been seen in November...then 7° on November 24th.

Warm for who, Florida?

Funny thing is 2016-17 had a very good December. It was the rest of the winter that was mild.

In Michigan we get more winter than the east coast and we get it noticeably earlier. I would never be worried about a winter if I wasn't seeing lots of snow on models by the start of December. If anyone SERIOUSLY (and not trolling) is jumping off a ledge on the east coast in mid November...Just wow. Especially when so many have pointed out many good signs.

I know what youre saying. But honestly December looking pretty good. Haven't said that in years.

What was the approximate snowfall totals downtown/on the lakeshore? I know it had to be more than ORD.