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Agreed. Even 2-3 weeks later, a carbon copy of this system will give most of us some snow down to the bay.

High of 41, coldest so far of season

Just saw flurries! 37

Actually, EPS has been catching up with MJO verification in the last week or so. It did horribly when it was in phase 6, but much better once we crossed into 7.

AIFS ensembles have also been performing well with the polar domain's 500mb patterns, and both it and EPS have been trending less positive with the AO in recent runs. Otoh, GEFS has been verifying better with the MJO. Something to watch for.

Yeah, if it rockets through the cold phases, it won't do anything for us. A slow crawl hugging COD would extend cold risk for us.

It looks like GEFS is trying to loop back into 7/8 after its u-turn into 6. Hovmollers shows this as well.

Small bit of good news - cold is overperforming. For the midwest storm, their forecasters shifted their maps a tick south.

Maybe I’m wrong and maybe I’m bailing too early on 12/2 but I’m not feeling a snowy outcome for I-95. It’s too early in the season, and the antecedent cold air is really not *that* cold. Most likely outcome is mainly rain maybe brief mixing along I-95 and a couple inches far NW. I do think its great we are tracking two threats early on. That alone is a promising sign for this winter. I just don’t think it’s a hit for us this time. Maybe 12/6 hits instead. Who knows at this point. Again, like I said, I’m willing to eat my shoe if I’m wrong.

We’re just not in a climatologically favorable time and the models did not go in a direction I wanted to see today. Even with deamp, they may just get weaker but not colder. If I end up wrong and it snows, I’ll eat my shoe.

The trend is not our friend. I’m calling it a wrap for 12/2.

I wouldn’t read too much into the 6th because I’ve noticed that the gfs (and other models) sometimes “copy” what the preceding system did before its details are even fully resolved.

Makes sense. iirc the deamplification trend usually starts at 3-4 days out, no? otoh, the high moved way off to the east and we need it to stay to the north of us.

Yeah I don’t like the less confluence part either. Looks more like 6z

You just said my quiet thought out loud. The 12z gfs took a step closer to euro compared to 0z, so we’ll see if this is the start of a trend.

Models want to add more ridging across the polar domain. This may be the early effects of the recent SSW and if well timed with the next mjo 8 wave, this could set us up nicely for late dec - early jan. Still expecting a mid month relaxation where we warm up for a week or so.

Yeah, according to hovmollers the models are trending towards weaker forcing at 6/7 after Dec 7. Between now and Dec 7, we have a clean mjo 8 pass. Then weak forcing reappears at 6/7, which is strongest with gefs. But even the gefs begins to propagate that eastward after Dec 7-10. So we may yet get another mjo 8 pass soon afterward. MC ssts also have been cooling recently:

Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

Taken verbatim, if this were happening two weeks later it would be snow for everyone. It’s just so early. But this is just one gfs run and its still 5-6 days away.

Fwiw gefs has stronger high this run vs last

Gfs also has two vorts in one system, which it didn’t have before. Previous run: This tells me that gfs may be struggling to resolve active pieces of energy off the pacific and rounding the bottom of the TPV. We’ll see whether these vorts get consolidated back into one like previously, or whether one vort is “favored” over the other. That can result in big differences in both track and timing, and of course ptype.

Yeah, gfs has been trending more and more amped the last 4-8 runs. Mostly rain for us. We’ll see if this breaks the deamplification trend that’s been around for 2 years, or if that gets us back in the game.

True, but more and more members falling below the mean and even reversing. Still very far out and can/will change a ton, though.

First mention of dec 2 system from LWX Forecast confidence decreases markedly by Tuesday. On the synoptic scale a shortwave embedded within a much broader longwave trough encompassing much of the CONUS is expected to lift northeastward out of the base of the longwave trough and interact with what should be a sharp baroclinic zone in place along the East Coast. Various sources of both deterministic and ensemble guidance show a large amount of spread with respect to what will ensue with this system. Some solutions show large precipitation totals, while others show little precipitation at all. Some show snow, some show a wintry mix, and others show plain rain. As is typical, temperatures look to be colder the further north and west one goes, so those locations have a greater chance to experience wintry precipitation if it were to occur. It`s too early to get into details at this point, but this system will be one to monitor over the next several days, as it has at least a chance to bring portions of the area their first wintry precipitation event of the year.

Hit 70 today. Probably the last one for a while.