George001

Fishing season too. Spring fishing is really good now I went fishing with my friend and we caught 6 trout.

The models never really showed anything more than a couple slushy inches (ignoring the 10:1 snow maps). There was a very low probability potential for a big snowstorm if there was a major shift west in the northern stream, and instead it shifted east so it’s just a rainstorm.

Northern stream is not phasing but it looks close to me on the models. As is, I wouldn’t expect more than a slushy inch or two but this has a lot of upside if it moves toward a phase.

Based on what I see on the models today they are close but not quite there when it comes to phasing. This could very well phase and produce a monster ocean low if it keeps trending, but there isn’t a whole lot of time. Instead it looks like the streams will phase a little bit over western NY (a bit better than yesterday’s models having the northern steam diving into central NY, which would allow the low to strengthen a little more). The setup is quite marginal with there not being a strong cold air mass in place, which explains why the models have the storm starting as rain. As it is right now, I’m not really buying the 6-12 snow maps as the low is not strong enough to create its enough cold air to dynamically cool the atmosphere and increase the snow ratios, so the 6-12 inch snow maps would translate to 2-4 inches of wet snow. If we can get that northern stream to dive 200 miles west however it’s a whole nother story.

Yep that’s what I’m seeing too on the models for the end of the month. Well above average temps with an 80 degree day not out of the question. After this next storm threat Friday we are likely done with snow threats.

Another important thing to note is as things are right now the snow maps are likely inflated as the setup is marginal, so ratios would be less than 10:1. Also some precip would be wasted as rain early in the storm. 3-6+ isn’t happening in my opinion unless we get an earlier phase, which is what I am watching for.

I’m not expecting much out of this storm due to the northern stream phasing in so late and the overall progressive nature of the pattern, but I have to admit the models did get a bit more interesting. The Euro in particular moved the northern stream a couple hundred miles west. If we are looking for a big storm that northern stream needs to drop in about 3-400 miles west of where the euro currently has it. This is very unlikely and is not supported by the pattern, but it needs to be watched. I do believe that the shift on today’s models has drastically increased the ceiling of the storm from a couple of inches of slop to a massive slow moving ocean low. More likely, there will be a late phase which may allow for some precip to back into eastern mass but not more than a couple of inches. I would give the probability of a phased slow moving monster ocean low around 5%, which is quite low but better than what I thought the ceiling was yesterday.

even I gave up on winter. I still check the models occasionally just in case if an early April blizzard pops up, but at this point I would give that a less than 1% chance of happening. The storm threat next week is going to bust because there is no northern stream interaction or phasing. The low will be weak and there will be no mechanism to create cold air. No phasing means there is 0 chance for a big early spring blizzard.

The navy has a big snowstorm for our storm threat next week

The euro isn’t looking good for my forecast right now but unfortunately at this point i agree with you. It might be time for me to give up on that storm and the winter. Not going to completely rule out the possibly for a late season storm, but based on the latest model guidance we are more than likely done. The storm track will likely be to the west of us, and the above normal temps appear to remain though the rest of March. I’m still going to be tracking until mid April though like I always do because I’m a weenie and if I think there is even a .00000001% chance of seeing a snowstorm I track. The models did look favorable for one or two late season blizzards a few days ago but things changed. The polar vortex is literally over the North Pole right now and that type of pattern has a tendency to lock in for a long time, so it’s likely the models rushed the pattern change.

Got up to 72 degrees in my backyard today. That is about average... for early June lol

That’s not true. The Canadian and navy have a Miller b during the target period (18th-22nd). Euro has a low but is warm due to lack of northern stream interaction. Gfs has a low in Wisconsin but it’s a useless model that is almost always wrong. The Canadian especially is very close to a big storm. The 14th-16th one is done though, that never really had model support to begin with outside one Gfs run.

The Canadian looks great for the big storm on the 20th. A bit warm due to the northern stream being a bit late (also it’s late March so temp issues are going to be hard to avoid), but what’s important is the setup is great and all the ingredients are there for a massive ocean low coming up the coast. I think it has the right idea, this needs to be watched for all of New England with the best chances being in central to northern New England. I’m convinced NNE and CNE is getting hammered by this. SE MA is more borderline in this setup and need more to go right for big snows, but even right down to the cape and islands is in the threat area when it comes to big snow, though the probability is lower due to us likely wasting some QPF as rain to start.

The euro has a Miller b for the 20th

I track from mid October to mid April. I know it isn’t going to snow in mid October but I like to look at the models to start tracking the pattern for a couple of weeks down the line when snow chances pop up( very small chances but still if I believe there is even a 1% chance of a snowstorm in the next couple of weeks, I track). Yes it is very rare but it does happen. It snowed in October just this year where I live, and just a few years ago it snowed in April. I wasn’t alive then but there was one year where there was a massive blizzard that dropped over 2 feet of snow in all of eastern mass in early April. I know it is harder to get snow than it used to be due to global warming but I will never give up on tracking storms and stop being a weenie because of it.

On the Canadian it appears after near record warmth this week, we have 3 miller b nor’easters from March 17th to March 20th. According to the upper level pattern the first 2 threats are unlikely to be big if anything. However it is the third low that catches my interest. Leading up to the storm there is a huge ridge out west which should allow for storms to amplify, slow down, and come up the coast. Since the flow is slow and buckled on the Canadian, the room for error when it comes to phasing of the northern and southern streams increases. Any storm that does develop will undergo rapid cyclogenesis and come up the coast as a massive slow moving ocean low. I strongly believe there will be a massive slow moving east coast storm but the big question is going to be precip type. At this point it will be late March so cold air won’t be as easy to come by. However, on the Canadian the polar vortex is not anywhere near the North Pole, it is displaced to the south and east. With the polar vortex sitting over east-central Canada as well as a highly amplified flow, the pattern favors northern stream energy diving into the Midwest, which would not only phase with the southern branch but it would also bring cold air in. It’s still far out and it is late March so there are factors working against us, but with the pattern in place there is the potential for a massive early spring blizzard in New England. If the threat does end up panning out, due to the gradient of warm March waters amplified by near record warmth clashing with cold air being funneled into the northeast via the polar vortex, that’s a recipe for a historically strong ocean low. 940s or 950s is not out of the question. However, the warm waters is a double edged sword, as it will be harder to overcome the warm ocean air, which will lead to rain in the coastal areas. In my opinion there will be ptype issues possibly as far west as Worcester with this type of setup. However, if the storm does reach this strength with a favorable track, it will likely be a start as rain and then as the low bombs out and the winds turn more north than north east, the rain snow line would crash right and all of eastern mass would flip over to heavy snow with blizzard conditions developing for 12+ hours due to the slow moving nature of the storm. The run didn’t go out that far, but in my opinion if you extrapolate the Canadian it would be a few hours of rain followed by a long duration blizzard with snowfall totals exceeding 3 feet in all of eastern Mass. I’m not forecasting that just yet, but this does fit the pattern so there is a higher than usual chance something like that will happen.

As usual, the garbage gfs moved away from its outlier solution and caved to a similar upper level evolution of the superior european, Canadian, and if you extrapolate beyond 180 hours the navy as well. The blizzard in New England for the 14-16th time period on the gfs did not fit the pattern with the trough too far west on the better models. The good pattern doesn’t set in until the 20th or so according to the models.

Honestly the horrific stretch we have has over the last 5 years (3 horrible years, 1 great year, 2 avg-slightly above avg years) in my opinion is a combination of the after effects of the record strong nino, global warming, and bad luck. I know people don’t want to hear this (myself included) but it’s likely that global warming is playing a bigger role in this horrible stretch than snow lovers in New England would like. That said, I do think that we will still have epic winters in the future, I just don’t believe they will be as common as they used to be.

Nah your winter lasts until May, where I live in SE mass snow chances are long gone by mid April, but It has snowed even as late as June before up in northern New England (very unusual though).

Looking at the upper levels for on the European and Canadian models it appears that the 14th-16th threat will go to our west and rain due to the northern stream digging into Montana. That is a great snow setup for Wisconsin due to how early the trough goes negative, but not here. The Canadian is similar with the southern steam hanging back, and the northern stream diving into Montana tilting the trough negative out west. If you extrapolate the navy, it is similar to the Euro and Canadian as it has the southern stream hanging back, which would give the northern stream more time to dig out west and phase, tilting the trough negative and causing the storm to Cut to our west and give Wisconsin a blizzard. The gfs is the only model that has snow here due to the streams staying separate. The upper air pattern on the euro, navy, and Canadian do not support this solution so I am going to go with the better models and lean towards a warmer and rainier solution. However, it appears that the 20th time period looks better. During that time period the models bring the polar vortex south into central canada, which would allow for northern stream energy to drop more into the Midwest than Montana. Even if somehow the garbage Gfs was right with the upper air pattern, that upper air pattern does not support a blizzard for the 14th-16th timeframe due to the lack of northern stream. There is no mechanism to bring cold air in, that’s a rain to Canada setup. In March purely southern stream won’t cut it.

Your area really got hammered this winter. I haven’t looked recently but I’m pretty sure NYC is actually a few inches ahead of Boston for snow this year.

March 8th 2013 was my favorite storm. This wasn’t the best storm I have experienced in my life (that was a month earlier), but it was my favorite one due to how it came out of nowhere. Most of the weather stations had my area forecast for a 2-4/3-6 type storm before it changed over to rain. However, it never did change to rain. I went to sleep expecting only a few inches of snow on the ground when I woke up. I remember the following morning I woke up, looked out the window and saw 2 feet of snow! I was shocked and immediately turned on the news, and remember the TV meteorologist explaining how the temps were a couple of degrees colder than expected, which allows for the precip type to stay all snow as well as increase the ratios. Also the low absorbed another system that pulled it back in a bit and allowed it to stall 500 miles offshore. It was out to sea, but the storm was massive and the unusual retrograding motion allowed for it to ram a huge plume of Atlantic moisture into eastern mass and heavy bands of snow rotted over us. That second low came out of nowhere, if it didn’t come in the storm would not have became massive and would not have produced its own cold air which allowed for the precip to stay all snow. Really cool setup and as a huge weenie there is nothing better than a surprise blizzard that comes out of nowhere.

Yeah the Canadian is horrible on temps, when I use the Canadian for my forecasts I don’t even look at temps I only use it for the general upper air pattern, which it’s one of the best models there is for.

Lol I love the navy and believe it’s the most underrated model there is, but the Euro is in a tier of its own.

It’s looking like for the next week the polar vortex is locked over the North Pole with mild pacific air flooding the country, allowing temps to rise into the 60s even up in New England. European guidance says 60s next week, then maybe a couple snow threats the week after. I know it may seem crazy to think we will get snow threats after several days of 60s, but that is not unheard of especially in mid to late March in southern New England.