TimB

This is America. What percentage of people who choose not to get the vaccine do you think are in great shape? Lol.

I’m sure we can find plenty of examples long before COVID of healthy 39 year olds who got some sort of mystery illness, went downhill, and died. No, I can’t tell you it wasn’t the vaccine that killed her. But I certainly can’t tell you it definitively was the vaccine either. And I don’t think it’s any more likely to have been the vaccine than some other reason.

I’m too far gone to get into athlete level shape at this point in my life ... I’ll take the vaccine instead.

What percentage of our population consists of professional athletes? 0.01%, if that? You can’t compare the general population to a professional athlete who survived covid with no lasting effects.

I’ll try to spend my afternoon working and not sitting on Twitter making a montage of all of the people with views on your side of the political aisle being keyboard warriors themselves, but it’s going to be tough. Keyboard warriors are prevalent on both sides of the aisle, and in no greater numbers on one side than the other.

I read an editorial recently that mentioned it. While I don’t think it’s a good idea, comparing it to segregation is a false equivalency, unless you compare the smoking sections in restaurants in the 1990s to segregation as well. To me, smoking, like not getting vaccinated, is usually a conscious decision, but being black isn’t.

Think of it as a “high risk” like a “high risk” day from the NWS Storm Prediction Center issued within the past 5 years or so.

Considering 2018 featured a very snowy April and 2020 had snow in May, you’d think people’s memories should be long enough not to be surprised when a dusting of snow falls 9 hours into April.

Seconded. Moderate snow shower, picked up a quick coating. 9am observation at the airport was also mod snow.

44.8 average temp for March. +5.2 relative to average, tied for 21st warmest all time and 7th in the KPIT era. 4 of those 7 have occurred in the past 10 years.

Even if “people who aren’t vaccinated against COVID” isn’t a protected class? I don’t think this would be an easy type of discrimination case to win, mostly on those grounds. Edit: on second thought, I imagine “religion” would probably be used as the loophole to get around that. It always is. Edit 2: I’m not bashing religion at all, I have no issue with believers. I do, however, have an issue with people who use religion as a tool to manipulate people and get what they want. The line of reasoning here would be “I can’t get vaccinated because my religion doesn’t allow it” (blatantly false for most, at least for Christians, but not disputable). “This business won’t serve me because I’m not vaccinated, so they’re discriminating against me on the basis of religion.” So we’ll have a world where businesses can refuse to serve customers because of the owner’s religious beliefs, but other businesses have to serve other customers because of the customer’s “religious beliefs”.

Make no mistake about it, I’m perfectly okay with COVID being added to the list of things that certain schools, colleges, countries, military, etc. require you to be vaccinated against.

It depends on if such things are done by the government or if businesses or industries preemptively do these things (perhaps under pressure). There’s nothing saying that if I own a business, or a restaurant, or an airline, that I can’t refuse service to unvaccinated people or put them in their own special section of my business or restaurant or airplane. Problem is, it would be stupid from a business perspective given the percentage of the population we’re talking about.

Of course it’ll be politicized, everything is. But yes, there needs to be societal pressure. I don’t have a lot of issue with businesses, particularly in the travel and hospitality industry, imposing restrictions on people who choose not to get the vaccine. I do have some qualms about the idea of vaccinated/non-vaccinated sections of restaurants like we did with smokers back in the day, simply because it would probably allow the virus to spread faster among non-vaccinated people if we herd them all into one section like that. (See, I’m not a monster.)

I’ll start with this statement, and I guarantee that percentage is a lot higher than you think. Beyond that, it’s not about shaming at all.

I would venture to guess that the vast majority of people who “want to wait for it to go from EUA to full approval” have no idea what the salient differences are between EUA and full approval.

Like I said, I don’t know any of y’all (to the extent that you can really know anyone on an internet weather forum). But on the spectrum that goes from “if it means shunning those who don’t want to be part of the team so be it” to “[the aforementioned view is] another argument based in emotion used to rationalize an extremist viewpoint”, I’m unquestionably a lot closer to the former than the latter.

Guilty as charged. I haven’t lurked in this thread much. I’ll read back a bit. Or maybe I won’t, COVID is another non-political topic like climate change that people have made political because being divisive is human nature.

Greg Vaughn is another who comes to mind. Caminiti was a confirmed steroid user by his own admission, right? I forgot he’s dead.

You don’t think someone with late stage cancer who dies in a car accident should be considered a car accident death?

It’s easier to see both sides when people with the opposite viewpoint don’t go around saying a statement like “I don’t want to be around a bunch of people who refuse to get vaccinated” is an “extremist viewpoint,” especially when it is a viewpoint commonly held by a large number of people.

100% correct. Our suffering won’t end until Bob Nutting sells the team.

Not from upstate NY, but we have the same old story in Pittsburgh these days. But people fail to recognize that there’s a problem, as evidenced by the fact that if we get an unseasonably cold day, even if it comes after 17 days in a row of above normal temperatures, the self-professed comedians are all over the NWS Pittsburgh Facebook page cracking stale and unfunny (and misinformed) “jokes” about global warming.

I’d say try being a Pirates fan, but then there’s 1979 and 1971 (but both of those are before my time).

That said, even with so many records being broken, the eye-popping heat records (daily record highs in July) have stayed relatively safe in places like the interior Northeast and Midwest.