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December 2024 - Best look to an early December pattern in many a year!
ORH_wxman replied to FXWX's topic in New England
I wouldn’t rule out a light event on Dec 25-26 yet. Both the euro and GFS show it. -
The main trough trending better isn’t enough on this threat unless it’s very strong changes…it needs to overcome the southern stream destructive interference happening. That will take the type of trend you don’t typically see inside of 100 hours. We’d need a pretty substantial positive trend at 12z for me to entertain more than 1-2”.
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It could easily just be a few flurries. We’ve had plenty of model runs that show almost nothing. It could end up as a 1-3/2-4 deal too but there’s no reason to dismiss flurries or nothing. The PAC pattern could easily support a larger event. We had pretty meridional flow. But we ended up with wave spacing issues in the southern stream. That’s something you can’t see in the longer range. Individual shortwaves are hard to predict.
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Yep…sandwiched in no man’s land for Friday. Big squander of a decent longwave pattern if we whiff but that’s the game sometimes. Hopefully we still pull off a few inches but I’m getting skeptical. The EPS mean is 1-2 inches across a chunk of SNE. I noticed maybe 25% of the members or so had 3”+ for at least part of SNE…so can’t rule out a lighter event but this longwave pattern had potential for something much larger so it’s disappointing either way.
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Euro looks worse than 06z....it really is a shame because it's a very solid shortwave diving SE toward the lower mid-atlantic, but there's just no ability to lift the heights downstream with the southern stream turd messing up the spacing. Without that, you're prob looking at a fairly healthy Miller B.
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Every piece of guidance sans GFS is significantly better than 00z. Still needs more work though on most of these solutions. We haven’t been able to get a consistently positive trend for multiple cycles in a row though which is what this system needs. The euro also needs to come in better I think for me to really entertain this being still in play on the 00z guidance. When I say “in play”, I mean for something that’s at least 4”+….a C-2” deal isn’t what I’m discussing.
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Correct. You can’t amplify a shortwave diving down when there’s a southern stream vort ahead of it keeping the downstream heights lower…it prevents the essential downstream ridging to occur in front of out main shortwave that is needed to create a coastal in this setup. So we either need to it speed up and get out of the way (ICON sort of showed this) or slow down enough to get captured by the northern stream. Otherwise you just get destructive interference.
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Just caught up on 12z stuff. Not the trend I wanted to see, but it wasn’t fatal IMHO. Kind of more status quo. Still decent spread looking at ensemble guidance. There’s a solid chance of a modest event. The PNA ridge is so damned tall that I don’t mind a little optimism still…as in I don’t think it’s completely unfounded. But I do think you need to see some better trends going forward. Status quo won’t really cut it if we’re aiming for more than a small event.
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As we get inside 6 days, the changes will matter more. They are more likely to be correct and not just stochastic variance so that’s why we want to see the deeper solutions returning pretty quick during the next couple of cycles. When we’re 180-200 hours out, the run to run changes mean very little. By the time we’re like 120-132 hours out, any significant moves are more likely to reflect reality.
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December 2024 - Best look to an early December pattern in many a year!
ORH_wxman replied to FXWX's topic in New England
Yeah it’s absolutely embarrassing the state of our old obs archives. It’s literally a bunch of text and we have trouble getting it. Does this site have them? They have a bunch of stuff but not sure if they have hourly METARs…maybe someone with more patience and time that’s I have today can search it https://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/wx/afos/list.phtml I used to grab old AFDs from here -
December 2024 - Best look to an early December pattern in many a year!
ORH_wxman replied to FXWX's topic in New England
Classic….KNZW Infamous for the heavy snow from OES and sleet from synoptic precip in one of the Jan ‘94 storms. -
December 2024 - Best look to an early December pattern in many a year!
ORH_wxman replied to FXWX's topic in New England
Ensembles continue to show a pretty significant warmup between Xmas and New Years. Weeklies continue to show a rapid reload to a much colder pattern in January lasting most of the month. I’ll believe it when I see it but I do believe the reload part is real. You can see the very beginning of it at the end of the regular EPS run.