ORH_wxman

2008 also had a similar SE ridge (this is the setup for the prolific back to back snow events that month pre-Xmas)…the key to keeping it cold in New England is the big SE Canada vortex. If you don’t have that, you can’t hold that high/confluence long enough. Here’s prior to the 12/22/83 SWFE as well. Big massive cold dump into the plains and Rockies with decent SE ridge but we had some good antecedent cold held in by that confluence in SE Canada..little mini NAO on the ‘83 look but it’s the same idea/concept…anything to hold confluence over SE Canada. Here’s the back to back SFWE setup in December 2013 as well…look at that SE Canada region…huge -WPO/-EPO fighting that SE ridge

It’s def not a Kocin cookbook pattern at all. But sometimes our best stretches are when we have to play with fire. Ala those 2007 and 2008 type stretches with lots of battleground between SE ridge and confluence to the north. But if we’re gonna deal with classic La Niña deep -PDO and a -PNA pattern, this is one of the better ones to try and make it work…you have excellent cross polar flow showing up almost the entire run so at least we will have true arctic cold not far away.

Here’s the mid December 2007 stretch that was quite kind to the region. Esp N of pike but even that 12/13 event got your area good. 12/16 hammered pike northward. You can see that big vortex in SE Canada.

Not sure we’d need any NAO ridging with that look. That’s pretty cold. That SE Canada and Atlantic look is very reminiscent of early to mid December 2007…the WPO is more negative than ‘07 though…that’s pure cross polar there

Yeah def -PNA early on. There are some similarities to ‘07. Not exact match.

Yeah the euro was trying to get us too on that 12/3-4 system. We’ll see. Volatile solutions in this setup so I’d expect a lot of swings in guidance. We’re still in clown range anyway but these are the types of patterns you can oscillate between 60F cutters and cold SWFEs until you get inside 6 or 7 days. (In the old days it might do that until 4-5 days out)

We’ll have a torch spike on the cutter the first few days of December (whenever that thing actually cuts…still wiggle room on guidance)….but we may drop the hammer after that. Canada is frigid and we start getting that cold -WPO cross-polar press. It’s hard to stay warm with that look. I’d be surprised if we didn’t have multiple SWFE threats between 12/5-12/15. Might even be able to sneak something a touch sooner. Esp NNE.

It's funny how the objective D11 analogs right now all point to years with SWFEs in early December.....top analog is 11/29/91 (big SWFE on 12/3/91).....2007 shows up twice on the list....so do 1972, 1978 and 1983 (all 3 had early Dec SWFEs...'78 was more of a front ender cutter, but still)

Gonna be several shots at a SWFE i think in the first 10 days of Dec....pattern has that look.

Wonder when the GFS and foreign guidance is going to converge on Tday. GFS still like a full day slower with that trough. Foreign models all have the front offshore by Tday morning.

Holiday period is way out there a month-plus from now, but none of the guidance has that period as a torch right now. If anything, it shows up as pretty damned cold on weeklies.

BOS will prob get colder post-Tday on that weekend. Into the 20s I’d think.

Ironically it seems the worst offending decade was the 1990s…no October or early Nov snows and plenty of late ones. You wouldn’t think so in an otherwise fairly snowy decade.

Remember the glory days of 2002-2010….so many epic December events on the forums…Xmas 2002, Dec 5-7, 2003, 12/9/05 , 12/13/07, 12/11/08 (ice storm), etc

Yeah every month had major events....'02-'03 and '95-'96 both seasons (not October in 1995, lol...but still November to April) 2014-15 had a dud December here which kind of ruined the wire to wire vibe....too bad because we slammed over the interior on T-day eve that year with a nice warning event. '17-'18 was very solid Dec-Mar, but not much in April or November that season.

Thanksgiving Eve into T-day morning has been trending colder too. Not expecting much winter precip here but interior CNE northward might grab something. If we somehow tick it another nudge colder, then maybe it gets interesting down into interior pike region. OF course, maybe it's not much at all like the Euro had....

It was pretty close to wire to wire over interior SNE north of 84. They cashed in during both the Xmas ‘02 event and the early Jan ‘03 event with basically very little melting and that lasted until the big February snow events which added more pack to an already good one. We did get an ugly cutter in very late February that year. There was a cutter about a week before Xmas too that kind of put a gap between the Thanksgiving week/early December snows and the Xmas event. But again, pretty close to wire to wire…esp for SNE standards.

That whole 11/29-12/1 period is semi-interesting. There’s going to be troughing most likely entering the Midwest so if we have some local confluence/cold press ahead of it, then we might be able to sneak an event in there. OP euro shows a colder look on that today. As usual, best chance this early is going to be interior and prob some latitude as well, but something to watch.

This is really hard to measure so hard to say the magnitude of the impact. It probably played some role. It was hard to really amplify ridges over the Rockies last winter. I’m sure there was a level of poor “luck” involved too in the sub-synoptic wavelengths.

‘70-71?

It was fine last winter. We just couldn’t get the big storms.

Been a lot of -NAO showing up even on the warmer ensemble looks. That’s a good sign though because when the PAC finally relaxes a little that will help us a lot. You can see it in some of the OP runs heading into early December….the weeklies show what happens when you keep the NAO look with a better PAC. The PAC will prob be a bit stubborn for a couple weeks so I wouldn't really get too anxious before the first week of December.

First week of December is the earliest to see anything interesting I think. Maybe the interior CNE and northward could see something Tday week if things broke right.

Bz is strongly north so you're not gonna see shit anyway. Get that back to -35 like last night and then we can talk.

Seems like most long range guidance is very bullish on a lot of Atlantic blocking going into December, so as long as we can at least get a serviceable Pacific, it could be a favorable setup.