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but we're also going to get multiple days in the mid 50s next week, I hear people want an early spring and to put this to bed already. I want a 2012-13 style comeback but I can understand why people dont want to go bankrupt over heating bills.

Ed did you get around 60 inches in 30 days? What was your maximum snow cover? I think we had a 3 month constant snow cover that winter!

It reached into the low 60s in the Poconos and down here on Long Island I hear pingers which can only be small hail lol.

You're right the transition has actually been the major indicator of sensible weather rather than the state of ENSO itself, December was actually a very La Nina-ish kind of month. In addition to that the MJO has created a very 80s type of look, with storms taking one of two predominant paths- either suppressed and hitting the lower mid atlantic or coastal hugging and bringing snow to elevated and far inland regions. Lots of cold air around but storms taking bad pathways for snow. The one snowstorm we got, in November, was also a coastal hugger with a big front end dump. I find that the east's best winters actually tend to be la ninas that come after el ninos (1995-96, 2010-11)- so the reverse of what this winter has been. I know 2012-13 wasn't an el nino but it was headed that way and has had some weather similarities- how do you compare that to this year?

I think you mean 2015 (going into 2014) which was a developing super, do you think next winter we'll have something like that? Regardless, February 83, February 2015, were both big snowfall months in the NE. And just like 82-83, the super el nino of 2015-16 had a historic event, but it was in late January not February. I got a 31 inch snowstorm that month.

Then again if excellent eclipse viewing comes to fruition Sunday Night and the progged excellent pattern begins around Jan 25 and lasts for 8 weeks, this storm will be a distant memory unless it overproduces.

Wow, the only three storms on that list that were all snow were the 1947, 1996 and 2016 snowstorms!

I wonder how cold it got for Mt Pocono! Thats always a northeast cold spot lol. And Monticello!

Wow it might have been bigger than the Jan 2016 snowstorm then (it had more total precip didn't it? We did hit 3.0" total precip here in Jan 2016).

It makes me think somewhere on Long Island might have gotten to -30 or even a bit colder than that! Maybe Westhampton Beach?

we didnt have any colder temperatures anywhere on Long Island than that during February 1934 did we, Ed?

really undermeasured at Central Park, no surprise there, that was a 25" snowstorm at JFK

People would have been going crazy when they heard the crackle of thunder and saw the bright lightning. I actually want to see some radar images of that day, I remember turning on the TV and there was red everywhere! They did an emergency break in of whatever was on (likely a daytime talk show) because their prediction of 4-6 inches of snow and then a change over was going to be wrong lol. It did finally change over, but that was in the early evening when the snow had almost ended, and it went to drizzle. The second storm wasn't even supposed to make it up here but it kept trending more and more north. I had both the TV AND the radio on at the same time lol listening to updates from the noon news shows and Craig Allen on WCBS at the same time and Joe Cioffi on WOR. Weird thing about the second storm- it actually changed to sleet at its peak at JFK but JFK ended up with more snow than what NYC had where it stayed all snow. I think the totals here were something like 8 inches from the first storm and 13 inches from the second storm. The prediction for the first one was 4-6, so the 8 inches was a positive bust, and the prediction for the second one was 12-18 when it was done trending north, so that was right about on target. I think Newark jackpotted with the second storm, they had 17 inches. 31 inches on the ground at the end from both storms.

I wish I had a camera back then that first storm caused such high snowfall rates along with lightning and thunder that you could literally see the snow piling up! It went from nothing during the morning rush hour to a wall of white by 10 AM!

Wow I wonder what made that storm last for 75 hours? Was that our longest lasting wintry storm or did March 1888 last longer?

That and Feb 1920 would be amazing to have happen again. Or March 1888 or Dec 1947 but make it happen a day earlier lol.

my most memorable ice storm! What were the official measurements of ice that we got around our region? I think we all stayed below freezing, I know JFK was.

I'm pushing mine back to Jan 23rd. I dont want to mess up the eclipse on the 20-21!

I never saw any of these movies lol. Talking dolphins? Dolphins are too smart to talk lol When are they going to make a movie about a (real) snowstorm! They even made one about the Perfect Storm, which was a boring storm besides the high winds and the novelty of a backwards moving storm (at that time- there have been many since.)

I do that unless I'm at the beach but I also keep track of the heat. It's something I've always been interested in because it's the one historic thing we had back in the early 90s. The summers of 91 and 93 especially were amazing and reaching 100 degrees at the coast or higher felt like getting a 2 foot blizzard. 2010 was my favorite all time summer though and exceeded all of them, although my favorite heat wave came the year after that.

Could you imagine if that July 1936 heatwave had happened in summer now? It would have been widespread 110+ all across the city and metro NJ and maybe even western Long Island! Were you near JFK on that day?

lol I loved that too. Hit 104 here on the south shore that July. Down in Baltimore where the weather conference was happening it hit 105. And 108 in Newark! One of these years they'll hit 110 during a mega heat wave.

They must've had Juno confused with Juneau (as in Alaska lol).

SW Nassau has only been in the jackpot zone three times in my life that I can remember, Feb 1983, PD2 and Jan 2016. All were moderate or stronger el ninos. Wow what a storm that was to be in the jackpot zone for. I may never see a 30" snowstorm again in my lifetime. Crazy thing is we also pulled a 3.0" liquid equivalent, so it wasn't even one of those high ratio deals.

I cant help but think that storm set the tone for the next 5 weeks. Sometimes you wonder, does the pattern make the storm or does the storm make the pattern? In that case I think it was both. If that storm hadn't happened, I dont think we get our historic month in January either. As you might recall, the LR forecasts for that winter weren't for a lot of snow and we had already had the cold for a couple of weeks and whiffed on a couple of storms so people were frustrated and the "no December snow" analogs were being rolled out for how bad a winter can be in a La Nina when it doesn't snow at least 3 inches in December. And then look what happened- we blasted right past 3 inches lol.